Off campus housing is not the same as the dorm. What kind of pills are you taking while writing the email below? If one chose to be a monk one must follows by its religion.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, rattanakiri <[email protected]> wrote: > I went to college once. I know these co-ed international student dorms are > like an apartment building. Everyone has his or her own room. This is far > from what you have implied. Even if he decided to live off campus, it is the > same setting. Each apartment complex is going to females and males > residence. Where do you think he should stay? Freshmen dorm? > > Heng Sombat wrote: > >> Hey Rattankiri, >> >> You miss the whole picture here. Monks are subjected to be a pure person >> that we all respect and trust during his period of serving his monkship >> regardless young or old. If you claim that it is fine for a monk to live >> in >> the same dorm with female(s), I must say that you have lost track and you >> do >> not have any believes in Buddhism. Or you are pretending to be Buddhism. >> Or >> you are an idiot just like what "thisbugone" said. Please check with your >> parents about Buddhism before you response. >> >> Sombat >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf >> Of thisbugone >> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:23 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >> >> Monk and women can stay together lol. You must be an idiot! >> >> On Saturday, January 16, 2010, rattanakiri <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> Some people may not realize it but speak ill of someone including making >>> a >>> >>> >> harsh and quick judgement unfairly on someone is unbecoming a buddisht. >> Remember, Buddha teaching speak rightly only. >> >> >>> In a poor country like Cambodia, monastery life is a way out of poverty >>> >>> >> and a chance for a proper education. In fact, many celebrated Khmer >> leaders >> and scholars owed their career to their days in as a monk. I think not >> any >> Cambodians would be shocked if a monk rejoins his civilian life. >> Cambodian >> buddhists offer money, food to monks in order to receive good karma, >> blessing. Should the monks refund the money, foods back if he returns to >> civilian life. Would you expect the monk perform a return of good karma, >> blessing back to heaven from those people? Give me a break. >> >> >>> Savouth Chea wrote: >>> >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> As a resident of Hawaii, which Sophan Seng claims he represents, I wanted >>> >>> >> to share my observations, thoughts, and also questions about his motives. >> Unfortunately, I didn't like what I saw of him, and I only foresee >> further >> disruption. >> >> >>> Sophan Seng came to Hawaii to further his education back in 2006. The >>> >>> >> first time he set foot in Hawaii, I introduced him to some Cambodian >> community members since he was a Khmer new to the island. Some knew his >> background from the past and had their opinions (good but mostly bad), but >> I >> tried not to take people's word for it. As months progressed, however, I >> came to see that the warnings I had heard were true. First, he used the >> Buddhist religion to advance himself rather than becoming a monk >> selflessly >> in dedication to Buddha. How do I know this? While attending the >> University of Hawaii, he lived in a co-educational dormitory. One may >> think >> this is not a big deal nowadays, but should a monk put himself in the >> company and living quarters of females? Is this appropriate? He often >> flirted with young female members of our community and made inappropriate >> comments - causing some of our youth and their parents to become very >> upset! >> He was affiliated with a so-called ‘temple’ in Hawaii, and performed >> Buddhist ceremonies. That was reasonable because he was a monk, right? >> But >> in 2009, he visited Cambodia from Hawaii, ostensibly still a monk, but >> came >> back to the United States only a couple of months later with a wife! >> Prior >> to his trip back to Cambodia, he told members of the community in Hawaii >> that he was going there to represent and gain support for the temple and >> the >> Buddhist religion. The ‘temple committee’ gave him $400, and some >> individual people also gave him money, since he was a monk and/or student. >> Poor him, right? When he came back with a wife, people were shocked. >> Did >> he care? Apparently not. He did not attempt to explain himself nor >> apologize for using the monies to go back to Cambodia to get married. No, >> he used religion for personal gain. Sad but true. >> >> >>> To people that do not know him, Sophan Seng represents himself as a >>> >>> >> ‘community facilitator.’ To be a facilitator, ideally one has to be >> neutral, or at least try to maintain neutrality. Instead, he openly >> expresses his opinion about Cambodian politics. In fact, even as a monk, >> whose studies are supposed to focus on learning and internalizing Buddhist >> principles and the path to peace, he chose to pursue a degree in >> /political >> science/. Most if not all of the articles he has written to the Phnom >> Penh >> Post (PPP) discuss politics. At the close of each of his articles, he >> signed "Sophan Seng, University Hawaii at Manoa, United States," or >> "Cambodian Students of Aloha" (the University's student organization). >> This might indicate that his opinions echo those of other Khmer at the >> University of Hawaii. They do not. Again, he is not representing the >> university, Khmer in Hawaii, or the United States of America. He used >> these >> closures to make himself look good with outside parties. Not all Khmer in >> Hawaii (or elsewhere in the United States) agree with him. >> >> >>> In his previous correspondence, Sophan stated, “If you want to know me >>> >>> >> more, go to these links.” The links he provided, >> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html<http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> >> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> and >> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/ <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/> < >> http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/>, are >> links that were self-created -- using the university- related resources >> (originally created for the use of the student group as a whole) for >> personal gain, again. Was the information he put on the site approved by >> the majority of the students in the organization? Has anyone else >> affiliated with the CSAloha used this site for personal boasting? No. >> Not >> even the founders, myself or Mr. Chanthoeun To, ever considered using this >> site to toot our own horns. The purpose of CSAloha, ‘…does not represent >> any political or religious ideologies both on/off campus.’ Yet he used >> the >> university-based name/group to send articles about politics to PPP and >> other >> media. Like Mr. Heng Sombat mentioned in his email, ‘He just wanted his >> name to be read in Phnom Penh Post.’ >> >> >>> Most of the articles he wrote to the PPP from Hawaii attacked the current >>> >>> >> Cambodian government and sided with opposition political parties. Hmmm . >> . >> . Sophan, when you were in Cambodia, did you write any articles to the >> PPP? >> Or did you simply enjoy yourself there and then come back to the safety >> of >> the U.S. to criticize Cambodia? Why attack the government of your own >> country? Do you just use your country for personal gain as well? Samdech >> Hun Sen has been a Prime Minister for years. He lives in Cambodia most of >> his life, unlike Mr. Sam Rainsy. When problems arise in the country, >> Samdech Hun Sen is still there. How about Mr. Sam Rainsy? He leaves the >> country when problems come up. Then, his students and his followers pay >> the price since they can’t leave the country like him. Now, I am not >> affiliated with any political party in Cambodia. I am simply noting that >> you only support a given official or bureaucrat when it suits you. >> Perhaps >> it is easier to get an American scholarship if you are attacking a >> socialist >> country leader rather than supporting him? Sophan, why try to divide the >> country instead of uniting it? Are you using your Canadian and US bases >> to >> get asylum to live abroad permanently?? >> >> >>> Your articles to the PPP do not help the current issues in Cambodia; >>> >>> >> instead, you are dividing the government and her people. Before you >> decide >> to sound off your opinion again, you should take a look at yourself in the >> mirror again and think about whether you are helping Cambodia with your >> words and actions, or, by pretending to be some sort of expert from the >> safety of your current North American address, making things worse for the >> people of our motherland. >> >> >>> Savouth Chea >>> >>> Honolulu, Hawaii >>> >>> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>] De la part >>> de Heng Sombat >>> Envoyé : samedi 9 janvier 2010 21:08 >>> À : [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Objet : RE: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>> >>> Sophan, >>> >>> The CSALOHA website is very outdated >>> >>> (http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html<http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> >>> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html>). I do not >>> think any of the >>> information on the site are correct. You need to update it or take >>> the site >>> down. False information via internet or posted on the internet is >>> also a >>> crime. >>> >>> Per my information with the East West Center, you are no longer a >>> student >>> there. Plus you have sent many articles about Cambodian-Canadian's >>> activities which only proof that you are currently residing in Canada. >>> >>> There is not much to read into your article. Your intention is >>> not to help >>> Cambodia or her people. Question: Have you even hold a job that >>> produced >>> normal income and paid income-tax since you live here, US or >>> Canada? If >>> not, you have no idea what is democracy is. So please do not preach >>> democracy to others. From your resume, you have been a >>> professional student >>> and monk most of your adult life. >>> >>> Per my conversation with my friend Sok in Hawaii, your short term >>> in Hawaii >>> during your monk hood was fulfill with sins. Let me relate (one >>> issue) to >>> you and to our audience that wish to know more about you, since >>> you wanted >>> others to know about you as well. Correct me if my information is >>> incorrect, but I have no doubt about what I am about to share. >>> >>> During your study at University of Hawaii you were living in a co-ed >>> University housing that was provided by East West Center (funded >>> by American >>> tax payers). This mean that you were sharing your domicile with young >>> college girls. This alone violated Buddhism practice already. >>> Most of the >>> young girls in these days covered their body with less and less >>> garments, >>> especially when they are in their domiciles. I will stop here on >>> this issue >>> and let you and the audience of CAMDIS takes it from here. >>> >>> I have more to share, if you want me to go on! Trust me. >>> >>> Here is my suggestion. Stop attacking and putting down Cambodian >>> people and >>> her government via Phnom Penh Post. Posting article via Phnom Post >>> will be >>> read by mostly foreigners, in Phnom Penh and aboard, your article >>> will only >>> stack more mud on the Cambodian people. This government is not >>> perfect. If >>> you care, let's help Cambodian people by helping the government to >>> improve >>> their mean and way of doing government businesses. Let's start with >>> solidarity first. Solidarity is the most effective way to >>> consolidate power >>> and fight the enemy of all kinds; foreign and domestic. Keep in >>> mind that >>> democracy does not happen overnight. It took US and Canada over >>> 200 years >>> for their democracies and still not 100% perfect. Do not forget >>> that your >>> well being here in US or Canada is the result of the current >>> government >>> policy. >>> >>> Here I go again......You must learn how to give back, not just >>> take. Or >>> giving back is not what you believe in? Stop taking from an >>> little old lady >>> like the one you did in Hawaii. She gave you so much of what she >>> had; she >>> had to collect cans and saved portion of her SS incomes to >>> contribute to >>> your Buddhism preach, because she trusted you as a true monk. >>> >>> I am going to stop here and hoping that you are able to start >>> giving back >>> with your heart. >>> >>> >>> Heng Sombat >>> Irvine, Ca >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf >>> Of sophan >>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:59 >>> To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org >>> <http://www.cambodia.org> >>> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>> >>> Hi Heng Sombat and Kangkaroo; >>> >>> Some info you claimed is correct, but major of them is wrong about me. >>> If you want to know me more, go to these links. >>> >>> >>> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html<http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> >>> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> >>> or >>> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/ <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/> < >>> http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/> >>> >>> I am not affiliated with any political parties inside or outside of >>> Cambodia. I am currently a student of UH, and community facilitator. >>> My letter to the Phnom Penh Post has fairly articulated to bring >>> benefits to >>> all sides especially the collective interests of the nation. >>> >>> Please re-read my article again and again before you assume to >>> reply this or >>> that. >>> >>> PS: I am an individual of UH's student. I am not representing all >>> students >>> in this University including Cambodian students studying there, >>> like many >>> other writers who revealed their places such as Phnom Penh, >>> California or >>> others, surely not represent everyone there. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> S. >>> >>> On Jan 7, 10:33 pm, Heng Sombat <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > Hello Kararoo, >>> > >>> > Your points are very straight and very much appreciated. The >>> author >>> > of this letter to Phnom Penh Post has no practical logic or merit >>> > behind his article. He just wanted his name to be read in Phnom >>> Penh >>> Post. >>> > >>> > Sam Rainsy's actions in the last 15 years are very questionable. I >>> > have the opportunity to meet Rainsy when he was the Minister of >>> > Finance and after he got kicked out of the government. He >>> knows how >>> > to use less fortunate people for his personal gain. Just like Koy >>> > Pech in >>> the 1971, Lon Nol Era. >>> > Students died from his actions. >>> > >>> > Now let's look at this author character and purpose of his writing >>> > this article, so we could analyst his intention. I started out by >>> > contacting my fellow friend (let's call him Sok) at Hawaii >>> University >>> > at Manoa Campus to verify who is this Sophan Seng really is. >>> > >>> > Here is what I found out. >>> > >>> > 1. Sophan was a student at UH and had moved back to Canada since >>> 2009. >>> > 2. He was a monk from Cambodia via Canada before moved to >>> Hawaii. On >>> > top of it, he did served his monk hood properly. >>> > >>> > In the body of his article he expressed the wrong doing of the HS >>> > government, but fail to understand the responsibility of the >>> Rainsy as MP. >>> > MP is just a law maker not a law enforcer. What authority does >>> MP has >>> > to act as POLICE. Rainsy's action only create division among our >>> > people, but fail to promote solidarity. His actions only make us >>> > Khmer >>> weak. >>> > >>> > If you talk about corruption, let's us ash how Rainsy live with >>> his MP >>> > salary. Someone is paying for his living cost plus traveling in and >>> > out of Cambodia whenever he wishes to travel. >>> > >>> > I suggest that Sophon think twice before he writes again about >>> the HS >>> > government. HS is not perfect, but the best government we had >>> in the >>> > last 100 years. We all able to get higher education and freedom to >>> > express our opinion more than previous governments. Freedom of >>> speech >>> > has come a long way. But please keep freedom of speech within >>> limitation. >>> > >>> > Let's look at our previous government: Sihanouk's government >>> fail....... >>> > Lon Nol's government fail...... Pol Pot's government fail to year >>> > ZERO. I guess Sophan wants to live year Zero again. >>> > >>> > One more note for Sophon, if you are not with UH or speaking on >>> > behalf of UH, please do not sign on behalf of UH, because your >>> article >>> > to Phnom Penh Post created concern for UH Cambodian Students in >>> > Hawaii. Not all students in UH approved your statement. >>> > >>> > Heng Sombat >>> > Irvine, Ca >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] >>> On >>> > Behalf >>> > >>> > Of sopha >>> > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:56 AM >>> > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org >>> <http://www.cambodia.org> >>> > Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post >>> > >>> > On Jan 7, 2:28 am, kangaroo <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > > > Reading your article “Three more sought in removal of post >>> at Svay >>> > > > Rieng border” (January 4) broke my heart. >>> > >>> > > > The villagers should be congratulated and taken care of by the >>> > > > government for their courage in publicly claiming their >>> ownership >>> > > > of the rice paddies and denouncing the violation of their >>> > > > territory by Vietnamese authorities who have mismanaged the >>> > > > process of demarcating the border. Instead, as unbelievable >>> as it >>> > > > may sound, these five farmers face a terrifying fate and the >>> loss >>> > > > of their status >>> > as “good” citizens. >>> > >>> > > Look at their acts. They have done something on their own hands >>> > > along with Sam Rainsy. Did they do the right thing? >>> > > Look at it yourself. A small group of people disagree with border >>> > > demarkation along with their leader, Sam Rainsy. They acted >>> > > illegally whether you like it or not. They did a wrong thing. >>> > > Actually, they did it to demonstarte their disagreement with the >>> government. >>> > > Be serious about it. Doing a wrong thing to correct a wrong thing >>> > > would never work. Sam Rainsy and that small group of people >>> did just >>> > > that. Now they are facing their consequences. >>> > > Oh ask those people this. They did it along with Sam Rainsy in >>> that >>> > > village. Now, they all are in trouble including Sam Rainsy. >>> WHERE IS >>> > > SAM RAINSY TODAY? >>> > > How about those people in the group? Where are they today? >>> > >>> > It is good to hear from you. Why all Cambodian people have trouble? >>> > >>> > > > There have been different interpretations of this story >>> within the >>> > > > media, but at the end of the day, no one can deny the truth: >>> > > > Cambodian people living along the borders with Thailand, >>> Laos and >>> > > > Vietnam no longer dare voice their concerns about neighbouring >>> > > > countries encroaching on their territory and >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. > > This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. > Thank you for your understanding. 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