Suggested mankhood test: If during that time, many Cambodian-Americans living in Hawaii took turn to bring food and pacchai boun (four necessities) to offer to him, then he was a monk.
If the first statement is true then the second one must be true and if your second statement is false then the first one must be false. On Jan 24, 8:26 am, [email protected] wrote: > Are you saying that it is okay for a monk to live in a dorm? Glad our > monks at our temple didn't use to live in a dorm before when they were > in school. > > Are you christian? If so, I understand. I rest my case. > > ~ Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:31 PM, rattanakiri <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The international student housing is like similar to apartment. > > everyone has her or his own room. How can you criticize someone > > whom you do not even know their circumstances. because he said > > something you do not like. grow up, dude. Are you gonna go their > > build a house just him to live? You know how expensive housing is > > in Hawaii? > > > thisbugone wrote: > >> Off campus housing is not the same as the dorm. What kind of pills > >> are you taking while writing the email below? If one chose to be a > >> monk one must follows by its religion. > >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, rattanakiri <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> I went to college once. I know these co-ed international student > >> dorms are like an apartment building. Everyone has his or her own > >> room. This is far from what you have implied. Even if he decided > >> to live off campus, it is the same setting. Each apartment complex > >> is going to females and males residence. Where do you think he > >> should stay? Freshmen dorm? > > >> Heng Sombat wrote: > > >> Hey Rattankiri, > > >> You miss the whole picture here. Monks are subjected to be a > >> pure person > >> that we all respect and trust during his period of serving his > >> monkship > >> regardless young or old. If you claim that it is fine for a > >> monk to live in > >> the same dorm with female(s), I must say that you have lost > >> track and you do > >> not have any believes in Buddhism. Or you are pretending to > >> be Buddhism. Or > >> you are an idiot just like what "thisbugone" said. Please > >> check with your > >> parents about Buddhism before you response. > > >> Sombat > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> [mailto:[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf > >> Of thisbugone > >> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:23 AM > >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post > > >> Monk and women can stay together lol. You must be an idiot! > > >> On Saturday, January 16, 2010, rattanakiri > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> Some people may not realize it but speak ill of someone > >> including making a > > >> harsh and quick judgement unfairly on someone is unbecoming a > >> buddisht. Remember, Buddha teaching speak rightly only. > > >> In a poor country like Cambodia, monastery life is a way > >> out of poverty > > >> and a chance for a proper education. In fact, many celebrated > >> Khmer leaders > >> and scholars owed their career to their days in as a monk. I > >> think not any > >> Cambodians would be shocked if a monk rejoins his civilian > >> life. Cambodian > >> buddhists offer money, food to monks in order to receive good > >> karma, > >> blessing. Should the monks refund the money, foods back if he > >> returns to > >> civilian life. Would you expect the monk perform a return of > >> good karma, > >> blessing back to heaven from those people? Give me a break. > > >> Savouth Chea wrote: > > >> Aloha, > > >> As a resident of Hawaii, which Sophan Seng claims he > >> represents, I wanted > > >> to share my observations, thoughts, and also questions about > >> his motives. > >> Unfortunately, I didn't like what I saw of him, and I only > >> foresee further > >> disruption. > > >> Sophan Seng came to Hawaii to further his education back > >> in 2006. The > > >> first time he set foot in Hawaii, I introduced him to some > >> Cambodian > >> community members since he was a Khmer new to the island. > >> Some knew his > >> background from the past and had their opinions (good but > >> mostly bad), but I > >> tried not to take people's word for it. As months progressed, > >> however, I > >> came to see that the warnings I had heard were true. First, > >> he used the > >> Buddhist religion to advance himself rather than becoming a > >> monk selflessly > >> in dedication to Buddha. How do I know this? While > >> attending the > >> University of Hawaii, he lived in a co-educational dormitory. > >> One may think > >> this is not a big deal nowadays, but should a monk put himself > >> in the > >> company and living quarters of females? Is this appropriate? > >> He often > >> flirted with young female members of our community and made > >> inappropriate > >> comments - causing some of our youth and their parents to > >> become very upset! > >> He was affiliated with a so-called ‘temple’ in Hawaii, > >> and > >> performed > >> Buddhist ceremonies. That was reasonable because he was a > >> monk, right? But > >> in 2009, he visited Cambodia from Hawaii, ostensibly still a > >> monk, but came > >> back to the United States only a couple of months later with a > >> wife! Prior > >> to his trip back to Cambodia, he told members of the community > >> in Hawaii > >> that he was going there to represent and gain support for the > >> temple and the > >> Buddhist religion. The ‘temple committee’ gave him $400, > >> and some > >> individual people also gave him money, since he was a monk > >> and/or student. > >> Poor him, right? When he came back with a wife, people were > >> shocked. Did > >> he care? Apparently not. He did not attempt to explain > >> himself nor > >> apologize for using the monies to go back to Cambodia to get > >> married. No, > >> he used religion for personal gain. Sad but true. > > >> To people that do not know him, Sophan Seng represents > >> himself as a > > >> ‘community facilitator.’ To be a facilitator, ideally > >> one has > >> to be > >> neutral, or at least try to maintain neutrality. Instead, he > >> openly > >> expresses his opinion about Cambodian politics. In fact, even > >> as a monk, > >> whose studies are supposed to focus on learning and > >> internalizing Buddhist > >> principles and the path to peace, he chose to pursue a degree > >> in /political > >> science/. Most if not all of the articles he has written to > >> the Phnom Penh > >> Post (PPP) discuss politics. At the close of each of his > >> articles, he > >> signed "Sophan Seng, University Hawaii at Manoa, United > >> States," or > >> "Cambodian Students of Aloha" (the University's student > >> organization). This might indicate that his opinions echo > >> those of other Khmer at the > >> University of Hawaii. They do not. Again, he is not > >> representing the > >> university, Khmer in Hawaii, or the United States of America. > >> He used these > >> closures to make himself look good with outside parties. Not > >> all Khmer in > >> Hawaii (or elsewhere in the United States) agree with him. > > >> In his previous correspondence, Sophan stated, “If you > >> want to know me > > >> more, go to these links.” The links he provided, > >> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html > >> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> > >> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> and > >> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/ > >> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/> > >> <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/>, are > >> links that were self-created -- using the university- related > >> resources > >> (originally created for the use of the student group as a > >> whole) for > >> personal gain, again. Was the information he put on the site > >> approved by > >> the majority of the students in the organization? Has > >> anyone else > >> affiliated with the CSAloha used this site for personal > >> boasting? No. Not > >> even the founders, myself or Mr. Chanthoeun To, ever > >> considered using this > >> site to toot our own horns. The purpose of CSAloha, ‘…d > >> oes > >> not represent > >> any political or religious ideologies both on/off campus.’ > >> Yet he used the > >> university-based name/group to send articles about politics to > >> PPP and other > >> media. Like Mr. Heng Sombat mentioned in his email, ‘He j > >> ust > >> wanted his > >> name to be read in Phnom Penh Post.’ > > >> Most of the articles he wrote to the PPP from Hawaii > >> attacked the current > > >> Cambodian government and sided with opposition political > >> parties. Hmmm . . > >> . Sophan, when you were in Cambodia, did you write any > >> articles to the PPP? > >> Or did you simply enjoy yourself there and then come back to > >> the safety of > >> the U.S. to criticize Cambodia? Why attack the government of > >> your own > >> country? Do you just use your country for personal gain as > >> well? Samdech > >> Hun Sen has been a Prime Minister for years. He lives in > >> Cambodia most of > >> his life, unlike Mr. Sam > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
