Listen up a konkak, you can believe anything or say any stupid thing that
pass by your brain if that can feed the ill pathetic brain of your kind and
to release your pain and your hatred of Khmer but don't never call me friend
again. Don't never vomit this word friend from your ill pathetic crap. The
way your kind use it, you didn't only soil and insult me but this word too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kangaroo" <[email protected]>
To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Vietnamese Democide
My friend,
You use the word "create" , and you are right.
Khmer Rogue and its coalition including Sihanouk used Vietnamese
support to make its force to be competitive.
After saying that, we still can't face the facts. Those people who
were in that Khmer Rouge regime were alll Cambodians.
Today, people are saying the same thing. They say that current
government is an entity of Vietnam. Even when we think like that as
the truth, the fact remains the same. The people in that government
are all Cambodians.
Further rhetoric is even worse. In their mind, they see it this way.
Then they turn to fight each other for power. We have seen it again
and again from one generation to another of Cambodia.
So even when we completely believe that Vietnamese are behind all of
the Cambodian illnesses, we cannot change the fact that Cambodians
fight each other for power so they can corrupt and practice the
culture of impunity over no one but their own people in their own
country.
What kind of Cambodians are they?
On Sep 8, 12:10 pm, "Bopha Angkor" <[email protected]> wrote:
Lehai,
Thank for your effort to share your point of views over this issue no
matter. There are tones of documents that have been posted here and
elsewhere to demonstrate how yuons created Khmer rouge, maneuver this
movement and through it, organized genocide against Khmer to overcome yuon
ancestral expansionist and genocidal culture and policy. If the yuons or
someone didn't read these documents it isn't mean that documents or proofs
doesn't exist. The reasons I don't reply to some yuons or yuon dogs here
even they perceive to come with same else things and stupidity it is
because
I judge it is so sinister and a lot of time to do. The rare time I chose
to
reply only while it come to necessary and in any case not to converse,
alert
or inform this kind of sinister individuals but just a general information
for public or to rend money to its piece.
My friend,
We care more or less of what you want to do. You are not the subject
for this discussion. If you do, I suggest that you stop it.
All the yuons can do is to cry to racial victims of those who are victims
of
yuon hideous atrocities while it come of responsibility or while people
dress these yuons face to their horrible crime and atrocity. I found that
so
ill and poor pathetic
Vietnamese don't have to cry for anything. Cambodia is not superior to
Vietnam.
Vietnamese have alread had a political establishment. Their political
structure has been established for a very longtime. Cambodia on the
other hand, still seeking for their own identity politically. So don't
think that Veitnamese cry for being victimized by Cambodians.
The fact is clear that Cambodian khmer Rouge went into Vietnam and
destroyed villages along the border, and they killed Vietnamese
villagers . I don't know what you said about that. Even when you
believe that khmer rouge were very bad, you cannot change the fact
that those khmer rouge are Cambodians. Tha'ts right. i am saying that
Cambodians did invade vietnam during the khmer rouge era.
Here are couple others that would fuel you more. Khmer Rouge killed
their own people in millions and brought their own country to a stone
age in the name of rebuilding the country. On the other hands, Vietnam
jailed their own people and brain washed them to become a part of
their new society. Today they are all living in a country called
Vietnam as a country. They are calling for Cambodia this and that as
Cambodians do all the time.
Cheers
http://amekhmer.free.fr/khcrucial-event/sihanouk-crime/1cambogeno1.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "LeHai" <[email protected]>
To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Vietnamese Democide
The topic of Vietnamese[Hanoi] hands behind Khmer Rough can be found
in the documentary film Year Zero. The documentary briefly explains
the love hate and power struggle relationship between these two
forces. Let us remember that Khmer Rough is a brain child, an
extension of the Vietnamese Communist party that went rogue and quite
ballistic because there were also some Khmer intellect and nationalist
in the moment.
The Khmer Communist that Vietnam helped to create had both Khmer
intellect, nationalist, and Khmer ignorant and poor peasants who were
eager to rise to power. Face it, after living your life as a miserable
and poor farmer boy, what ignorant person would not throw away the
chance of becoming the strongest man in the country. Certainly Hun Sen
didn't. He remained faithful with the original intention of the
Communist Indochina block, to merge the Indochinese federation.
Kangaroo keeps saying Khmer people hate Vietnamese, fine, let's say
they do. But give them a reason why they shouldn't hate or be vigilant
of our country? Here you are espousing and supporting the Nam Tien
manifesto, it is even on your profile "We will swallow Cambodia" that
you are one of those Vietnamese people and group that still holds this
ambition.
If China that you're a renegade province and wants to swallow you back
into its country, wouldn't you do everything you can to protect that,
even if it means to keep a constant reminder of resentful emotion?
It is clearly a matter of national survival and people's need for
space and their own independence.
On Aug 20, 5:19 pm, kangaroo <[email protected]> wrote:
> Can you answer some of these questions since you seem to know alot?
> If Vietnamese is behind Khmer Rouge, why khmer rouge invaded vietnam
> and killed vietnamese villagers?
> If Vietnamees is behind khmer rouge, why did they have to invade
> cambodia to tople khmer rouge, the regime that they orchestrated as
> you suggested?\
> Now, if CPP is behind Vietnamese, why are thousands and thousands of
> cambodians working for CPP?
> You tend to think thatat you are not one of those who joined the
> Vietnamese. Can you tell us why are those Cambodians today so stupid
> to working for Vietnam?
> I am begging you to explain these matters so we all can understand as
> you.
> Thank you
> On Aug 20, 11:56 am, "Bopha Angkor" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Lok Koeun Sam Ung after the definition of R.J Rummel, polpot and few
> > comrades were sacrificed or politicide by yuons to be replace by
> > another
> > yuon political tools more easy for yuons to handle for failing to obey
> > to yuons orders and yuon wills as the cpp clan did. Or it's just a
> > step
> > of yuon political strategies. Polpot and few of his comrades has no
> > other choice than to face their old masters while these last ones
> > didn't
> > need them anymore or just want to eliminate them from the yuon
> > political
> > spinal column. Pham van dong said, yuons know what to do with their
> > creatures or political tools/pets, while to use bottom and while to
> > satisfy with a piece meat.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Koeun Sam Ung
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:33 AM
> > Subject: Vietnamese Democide
> > STATISTICS OF DEMOCIDE
> > Chapter 6
> > Statistics Of
> > Vietnamese Democide
> > Estimates, Calculations, And Sources*
> > By R.J. Rummel
> > Genocide: among other things, the killing of people by a government
> > because of their indelible group membership (race, ethnicity,
> > religion,
> > language).
> > Politicide: the murder of any person or people by a government because
> > of their politics or for political purposes.
> > Mass Murder: the indiscriminate killing of any person or people by a
> > government.
> > Democide: The murder of any person or people by a government,
> > including
> > genocide, politicide, and mass murder.
> > Perhaps of all countries, democide in Vietnam and by Vietnamese is
> > most
> > difficult to unravel and assess. It is mixed in with six wars spanning
> > 43 years (the Indochina War, Vietnam War, Cambodian War, subsequent
> > guerrilla war in Cambodia, guerrilla war in Laos, and Sino-Vietnamese
> > War), one of them involving the United States; a near twenty-one year
> > formal division of the country into two sovereign North and South
> > parts;
> > the full communization of the North; occupation of neighboring
> > countries
> > by both North and South; defeat, absorption, and communization of the
> > South; and the massive flight by sea of Vietnamese. As best as I can
> > determine, through all this close to 3,800,000 Vietnamese lost their
> > lives from political violence, or near one out of every ten men,
> > women,
> > and children.1 Of these, about 1,250,000, or near a third of those
> > killed, were murdered.
> > Tables 6.1A and 6.1B give the sources, estimates and calculations of
> > Vietnamese killed. As noted, Vietnam was involved in several wars and
> > was for twenty-one years formally divided into two nation-states,
> > North
> > and South Vietnam. Moreover, both parts of Vietnam committed democide
> > against their own people as well as in other countries, and democide
> > was
> > committed by foreigners against them. Not only is Vietnam's history
> > complex, therefore, but the estimates of those killed in war and
> > democide differ considerably by perpetrator, victims, time, and place.
> > For these reasons I have made a special effort to divide the estimates
> > into the smallest consistent groups and where possible to use the
> > resulting consolidated figures to cross check totals and subtotals.
> > This will be seen, for example, in calculating the total war-dead
> > (lines
> > 1 to 261 in Table 6.1A). The first war was that against the French,
> > defined here as beginning when the Viet Minh established the
> > Democratic
> > Republic of Vietnam in September 1945 and lasting until July 1954. I
> > divide estimates of war-dead and their calculations or consolidations
> > into those for the Viet Minh (lines 3 to 4), France (lines 7 to 18),
> > civilians (lines 22 to 25), military (lines 28 to 30), and total
> > war-dead (lines 33 to 44). The total war-dead is the figure of
> > interest
> > here, but before accepting its consolidation (line 44) it can be
> > checked
> > against two other ways of getting the total. One is by adding together
> > the separately determined figures for Viet Minh, French, and civilian
> > war-dead (line 45); the other by adding civilian and military war-dead
> > (line 46). This gives us three total war dead ranges for comparison
> > (lines 44 to 46). The three mid-values tend to be relatively close,
> > while the lows and highs are quite divergent. Since we generally want
> > the higher high and lower low, I selected these for the final total
> > and
> > averaged the three mid-values (line 47). Subtracting then the
> > non-Vietnamese war-dead (line 49) gives the cost of the Indochina War
> > as
> > 188,000 to 1,153,000, or 512,000 Vietnamese lives.
> > War-dead estimates for the Vietnam War abound (lines 53 to 214). I
> > divide these first into civilian and total war-dead for North Vietnam
> > and consolidate them (lines 54 to 67). Then I pull out estimates for
> > Viet Cong war-dead (which may or may not also include North Vietnamese
> > regulars--lines 69 to 83) and I give separately those estimates
> > explicitly for both North Vietnamese and Viet Cong war-dead (lines 88
> > to
> > 102). For both sets the estimates vary in the years and duration they
> > cover. Accordingly, ignoring estimates for one year or those whose
> > periods or coverage are unclear, I extrapolated the estimates for the
> > years of the war. That is,
> > extrapolated estimate = (years of war)(estimate/years it covers).
> > Since many estimates here and later will be so extrapolated, the date
> > taken for the beginning of the war is statistically important. I
> > selected January 1960 based on those considerations given in Death By
> > Government.2 That is, as evidenced by their activity, such as the
> > building of the Ho Chi Minh trial, secret speeches by North Vietnamese
> > leaders, orders to their operatives, and the creation of political
> > front
> > organizations in the south, by this date Hanoi clearly had prepared
> > the
> > way for and had begun a sustained guerrilla and military effort to
> > take
> > over the country. This means that the war lasted for 15.33 years.
> > However, the war was not equally violent
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