On Friday 12 November 2004 18:03, J. Antas wrote: > Nino Novak wrote: > >>For how long will Care2x continue to be a "one-man-band" project? > > > > The problem with such open source projects are the missing people who > > will engage and take responsibility and put in a whole bunch of work. > > As long as one man puts in the whole work, the project will not > > change its character. > > It does not need to change its character as that is one of its main > strengths. It just needs more thinking heads, brainstorming and better > coordination.
And how do you think can these be implemented? Should we discuss it and agree to a solution and try to implement it? My personal opinion is that without highly motivated and competent people, who are really willing to take leadership - and who are on the other side accepted by "the group" / the community (whoever makes up that group in the Care2x project) nothing significant will happen. > Why does all code need to pass by a single person? I'm not sure if it needs. It's just the way it goes at the moment. But I don't see a better solution. > Just imagine a web server with only one server, no load balancers, no > server farm, for how long do you think that the served site can > continue to grow. D'accord, d'accord, but the web server can be set up correctly by almost any admin, whereas I don't see anybody with a similar degree of competence, engagement, devotion, management capability, willingness to invest time, and acceptance by "the group/community" who could could act in place of Elpidio. So the role of the "single web server" cannot be shared for lack of suitable people. > Right now Care2x is much like a lobster has reached the maximum size it > can reach without changing its shell (here he goes again with the > lobster example!). very fine example: to grow, the lobster changes it's shell, not its core ;-) (btw: I absolutely don't know if this is biolgically true) > > (I'm speaking of *doing* the work not of talking about it.) > > And what do you think that happens when "the missing people" appear and > start to do the work instead of talking about it? > Two things may happen: > 1. either they please the team leader and all goes well, > 2. or they don't and... they don't! Who has appeared up to now? Don't know if I missed someone, but I only saw few people with really interesting thoughts and ideas. And who of them started to do the work in an clearly elaborated, distinct, and overall accepted way? I did not see any one. But maybe I'm wrong and you teach me some better. > When was the last time that an idea that did not please the team leader > got submitted to peer review by the other team members? What idea did not get submitted? And why? Anybody can submit anything - e.g. here in the developers' list. And if there are interested others - they will certainly review any piece of code. But ok, if the code is good and if there are no interested others, this might be a disencouraging experience. But if the code is really good, or if the work (like a new developers' ressources webiste) is really attractive, then the community will accept it. I'm quite sure. In contrast, if somebody just claims to have the better code / website / whatever - this will not be accepted. And then you may or may not accuse Elpidio, but in effect the community decided. > Most of the time Elpidio were right and did the right thing, but one > must always remember the Peter principle and be ready to avoid that > situation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle). :-) > It is just that having a good idea and beautifully coding it, is not > quite the same as coordinating a fast growing open source project. So whom do you propose for giving a try in this role? > The most successful projects have shown that a few heads think better > than a single one. Not even Linus Torvalds is the man in charge of the > Linux project anymore. Of course he still have the most qualified word > over new ideas or radical changes, but somewhere in time a larger team > took over the more day-to-day subjects. So this is an example which has grown historically. But the Care2x people are just different people. And maybe they walk into a similar direction - and maybe they don't. IMHO you cannot predict this. > Well, against all winds we now have ADOdb, Outsourced templating, > PostgreSQL, Debian packaging, Documentation ... but no SQL Ledger, nor > Compiere not even a more developer team friendly Care2x site, but... > Who knows what the future will bring to us? Nothing more and nothing less than we make out of it. Kind regards, Nino ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click _______________________________________________ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
