I too agree here. I make more, by about $20KUSD, than any of the people who
I work with, except one. I make double some of their salaries. I work for a
private university in Houston, Texas. I do not have a degree (bunch of
hours, never seemed to finish, always getting hired away from school. Ex Air
Force avionics guy). That irks some of the people, there is an underecurrent
of resentment. I would bet that is happening to you.
Sounds like are getting jerked around. Now I would RESENT that. You are
being way undervalued. The cool thing is that you can at least sit back and
take your time looking. Don't do something rash, like making an ultimatum or
telling them you are looking. You owe it to yourself to take care of
yourself. (Read some Ayn Rand). You do not owe an employer, who pays you a
third of your value, a thing (IMHO), especially if they won't negotiate. You
can like what they do. That's fine. Just time to move on.
There are many companies in Houston that would pay you 30-40k entry level
for what you say you know. Maybe Canada is just not ready for someone with
your skill sets ;).
Gary McNeel, Jr.
Project Manager - DAC-Net, Research & Graduate Studies
Rice University - Houston
[W] 713-348-5184
[M] 713-962-0885
[H] 713-723-9240
"One good thing about apathy is you don't have to exert yourself to show
you're sincere about it."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:36 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Getting Ridiculous
>
>
> I don't know much about Canadian law, but I would agree that you should be
> looking for other employment. Some employers have a hard time
> understanding
> why you should be making as much a year out of school as it might
> have taken
> them a decade to build up to. They don't like it, and simply won't budge.
> Also, the fact that you are working for a non-profit doesn't
> help. They may
> simply not have the available funds, but that shouldn't stop you
> from trying
> to earn a living.
>
> -Cameron
>
> --------------------
> Cameron Childress
> ElliptIQ Inc.
> p.770.460.7277.232
> f.770.460.0963
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:17 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Getting Ridiculous
> >
> >
> > Guy,
> >
> > From what you've said, bag the job. They have gone beyond
> > underpaying you to
> > exploitation. You may even want to contact the Ontario
> Provincial Ministry
> > of Labour about your employers. You have tried all possible routes to
> > something far more reasonable and they won't budge. I'd start
> sending out
> > resumes and prepare a 2 week notice. You also may want to look at
> > Ontario's
> > Labour Laws. From the sounds of it (and I'm no lawyer) they may be in
> > violation of them. At the very least, you have the right to give
> > your notice
> > one pay period in advance. They don't like it, too bad.
> >
> > With the experience you listed you should be able to get at least
> > $35,000/yr
> > in Ontario.
> >
> > larry
> > --
> > Larry C. Lyons
> > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > EBStor.com
> > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > tel: (703) 393-7930
> > fax: (703) 393-2659
> > Web: http://www.pacel.com
> > http://www.ebstor.com
> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > --
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:50:26 -0500
> > > From: "Guy J. McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Getting Ridiculous
> > > Message-ID: <000001c0650b$a78daf20$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Looking for a little fatherly (or motherly) advice.
> > >
> > > Situation:
> > > 8 months out of college working at a non-profit, developing CF for a
> > > year.
> > > Webmaster managing and developing 8 (eight) domains, sole developer.
> > > Currently being compensated at about $12,000 CDN / year no benefits.
> > > Educated employer about market value and what their options were if I
> > > died tomorrow.
> > > (That being a starting salary of about $45k/year for someone straight
> > > out of college or they could hire the only other guy in the 100Km
> > > radius area that is at my developing level (or above) in CF for
> > > $100/hr)
> > > I also looked at public financial statement and deduced that the
> > > average salary for full-time employment in this organization is about
> > > $40K/yr (mostly biologists and administrators).
> > >
> > > I made a reasonable request of $35K/yr plus standard benefits.
> > > They're coming back with a one year contract offer of about $25K/yr no
> > > benefits, no negotiation.
> > >
> > > The group does good work and I'll always be a member, but this job is
> > > beginning to cost me money.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking I should request a two-weeks clause so that I can leave
> > > with 2 weeks notice and inform them that I will be looking for
> > > employment elsewhere. I'd like to know if this would be perceived as
> > > ethical by employers out there. Or any other courses of action that
> > > would be suitable and practical.
> > >
> > > Also, what does it take to get a job with a firm that focuses on
> > > CF/Web Development? I really want to grow and learn more.
> > >
> > > Please accept my apologies if this sounds like whining, I'm just
> > > running out of ways to deal with this.
> > >
> > > Yours In Conservation,
> > >
> > > Guy J. McDowell,
> > > Webmaster
> > > The Ontario Federation of Anglers & Hunters
> > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Phone: (705) 748-6324 ext. 262
> > >
> > > P.S.
> > > Check out the ALL NEW www.InvadingSpecies.com site as well as the rest
> > > of our lineup...
> > > www.OFAH.org - The flagship site for the O.F.A.H.
> > > www.AuctionForWildlife.com - Your chance to make your bid for
> > > conservation.
> > > www.EcoEd.org - an online adventure for kids in grades 1 through 8.
> > > www.HuntingDog.org - Celebrating our Hunting Dog Heritage.
> > > www.AHTV.com - Your online companion to the Angler and Hunter
> > > Television show.
> > > www.OHEP.net - Where to find out and learn about the Ontario Hunter
> > > Education Program.
> >
>
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