<CF_Rant>
I have read the link, the HTML writer Guide page on not discussing pricing and the
USDOJ info on anti-trust...
.... and I have to say that I think this "don't ever discuss prices on the
CF-Communuity List" is a bunch of crap. I
realize this is Michael Dinowitz's list to do with as he may, but I didn't see any
attempt to set prices or to ask
what price to charge so as to avoid competition in these posts....
There was a discussion of how to approach some work and the pitfall to avoid. This is
different from person A says
what do you charge for a job so I will know not to bid less. Unless someone things
there is a huge CF Community
conspiracy to keep prices up my personal view is chill.
</CF_Rant>
I just had to get that off my chest. Back to your normal programming now. :-)
- Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/
"Benjamin S. Rogers" wrote:
> You really should not discuss pricing in a public list such as this. It
> opens certain individuals and organizations such as the list moderator and
> hosting provider to legal repercussions.
>
> For these and many other reasons, discussions of pricing between competitors
> in public forums is generally frowned upon. In most scenarios, the persons
> discussing pricing are removed from the list.
>
> For more information:
>
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/lists/faq.htm#1
>
> Benjamin S. Rogers
> Web Developer, c4.net
> Voice: (508) 240-0051
> Fax: (508) 240-0057
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angil Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:34 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Charging for Installation
>
> 0_0
>
> I just had the meeting.
> I knew that damned woman was smiling too much..
> and here I was thinking it was my new spiffy haircut
>
> I..umm..oh geez.
>
> I went with a flat rate of 1000 to cover the entire installation and
> bringing the program to the point at which it was functioning on the remote
> staging server(some variables in app_global.cfm would need changing etc.),
> including setting up CF professional w service packs and this sybase stuff.
>
> Arrrgh! And there are few to no CF Developers in Trinidad..I could have
> probably named my own price!
> I...didn't consider what would happen in terms of time and cost if it all
> went tragicly wrong..
>
> :-\
> stupid stupid inexperienced me.
> .....
> .....
> *holds himself*
> I feel so...used.
> 0_0
> *shivers*
>
> -Gel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2001 01:05
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Charging for Installation
>
> If you haven't installed SQL-anywhere before are you including installing
> that and installing a *working* ODBC
> driver for it? This alone could take anywhere from 2 hours to 20 hours if
> you have problems!! Plus the default ODBC
> driver may be buggy requiring purchasing a 3rd party one... who will pay for
> that?
>
> Again you need to confirm that if you get the app to do the same as it does
> on the staging server you are done.
>
> Also given the level of service from the other company what if they forget a
> file you need - will you be waiting
> around weeks to get it and to get paid?
>
> Good luck - if you do this job I am sure you will gain a lot of experience!
> :-)
>
> - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/
>
> Angil Stewart wrote:
>
> > Hell no..I've never done anything with Sybase SQL Anywhere. I'm hoping
> that
> > its a simple task of setting up an ODBC datasource.
> >
> > The previous developer seems to have produced a decent application from
> what
> > I can see, but it took them 10 months and 30,000 dollars to do it. BUt it
> > uses some very nice layout, for the code..with every query and piece of
> > logic in a neat, seperate file so the main file is just a series of
> > CFINcludes...nice use of Session variables, it even builds threads and
> sets
> > up users for a message board system when necessary...really neat.
> >
> > Buuuut apparently the client was extremely dissatisfied with their level
> of
> > service.
> > They want to pull the application from the former developers servers where
> > it was hosted, and do everything themselves...which is where I come in.
> >
> > I suppose charging for a days work at US100.00 * 8 =US800.00 should cover
> it
> > all.
> > I'll tell them the cost covers set up and getting the program up and
> > running, no modifications.
> > And when we have it up...work a cost on future modifications etc.
> >
> > That sounds like the best plan..right? :)
> >
> > I hate arranging pricing and cost.
> > *sigh*
> > -Gel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > Have you installed this set up before - especially the database? How long
> > did it take?
> > Why is the original firm not doing this - did the client and them have a
> > disagreement?
> > The phase "a little modification" is danagerous - what if the client now
> > expects you to fix all bugs until the app
> > works!! Can they show you the app working correctly on a staging server
> > first? :-)
> >
> > Bottom line ... You need a clearer scope of work or just bill hourly.
> >
> > FYI On straightforward installs we usually figure a day to iron out all
> > problems. This is where we have written the
> > code. On someone else's code who knows what will need "adjusting"?
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/
> >
> >
>
>
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