And the right to privacy is one Franklin knew of? Miranda rights? Yes, many
of the rights today are extensions of the older ones, but some of them have
gone in directions that Franklin would never have thought of.
I wonder if the ability to sue people is considered a right. I wonder what
Franklin would think of that.

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From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:06 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: cat stevens

At 14:00 9/23/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Yes, yes it does but it is another step from the quote. We're talking today
>about giving up certain freedoms in return for security. In response to
>this, many throw the Franklin quote. The response is that it's a different
>time. the counter is to point out the attrocities of that time. The counter
>is to say they were not the same. counter. counter. counter.
>The massacring of indian tribes was a crime on par with any suicide bombing
>today. Could the indians have given up freedoms for security? Should they
>have? Look at what freedoms existed then and now. We're more free than ever
>and we hold things as personal freedoms that were not even thought of years
>ago. I want freedom of privacy. I don't want people knowing my buying
>habits, what's in my home or what color underwear I'm wearing. I don't want
>people coming into my home looking for a terrorist, drugs, guns or
whatever.
>Years ago, these 'rights' were totally unknown. Franklin had no concept of
>the freedoms we have today and if he did, he's probably laugh at them.

I would disagree with that statement.  Many of the freedoms that we have
today are a derivative of the freedom and liberty that Franklin is talking
about.  The idea of cyber theft is a modern day phenomena, but it's really
just an extension of unrightfully taking another property.
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