When you combine various investigative factors and evidence, whether it
includes race or not, it's not and no way can it be racial profiling. It's
good police work.

If a black man robs a bank and escapes in a blue, late model Cadillac -- are
cops going to stop and question white women driving blue, late model
Cadillacs?  Of course not. They are going to stop and question, if they see
them, black men driving blue, late model Cadillacs.  And if you take away
the police power to do that, you are effectively inviting criminals to be
criminals.

In Simi Valley, there were several bank robberies last year -- all
perpetrated by single black men. The Simi sheriff's deputies have been
stopping and questioning every single black man they see in Simi (blacks
make up only about 1 percent of the population in Simi). They adamantly deny
that they are engaging in racial profiling, but to me this is racial
profiling because the deputies have no other evidence to go on.  If they
were able to supplement their vague knowledge with specific information and
then stopped only people who fit that profile, then they would be doing good
police work.

And like it or not, looking Arab these days means you can potentially come
under scrutiny. There are apparently thousands, if not millions, of Arabs
who want to do us harm. No amount of politically correct bullshit is going
to change that fact.  So, if you're Arab, after 911, and you fit other
aspects of the terrorist profile (again, being Arab, alone, is not enough),
you are going to be stopped and questioned. That is only right and proper to
protect innocent lives.

H.



-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 9:44 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: We are in big trouble


You say racial profiling is wrong... even when their are other factors (such
as one way ticket etc) what you describe is still racial profiling.... the
others are other types of profiling.... buying a one way time for example is
ticket profiling.... flying alone is another form of profiling...

So you saying its okay to profile racially so long as other forms of
profiling are included in the assessment. I think it's wrong altogether...
it make officials include race in their assessment of potential criminals
(for example... police officer: "... he looks like an Arab... should we
question him...") ... after a while, this becomes standard... then the
general perception that Arabs are criminals develops (although Hollywood
also already done a stirling job of forming that perception in the last 20
years).

Put yourself in their shoes... just imagine you are a successful middle
eastern male business man. Pre 9-11 you could mostly go where you pleased
without harassment, now post 9-11 you become everybody's posterboy for
terrorism, being stopped regularly at airports, having fellow passengers eye
you suspiciously, being delayed for 'security checks'... all because of the
color of your skin. Most white folks would say "just deal with it... it's
for everyone's safely ... no big deal..." but just imagine how that feels
for these people...to be a suspect because of the color of your skin. Hey...
maybe nothing has changed... they have been doing that to African Americans
for some time... only now the media has come up with a new (pc) buzz word
'racial profiling'... sounds like 'collateral damage' or 'friendly fire' or
'post traumatic stress disorder'. A word that is used to create a positive
response from the public to an activity that involves unjust treatment of
people.

Once the middle class white American public accept 'racial profiling' as a
concept and condone the police employing it doesn't that take us towards a
more racist society rather than away from racism? It's judging people by the
color of their skin. Most people who say that racial profiling is acceptable
(even if combined with other forms of 'profiling') obviously haven't
experienced any kind of racism directed towards them). This is just another
form of institutional racism however innocent it may be dressed.

Benjamin


----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: We are in big trouble


> OK, I'll weigh in now ...
>
> First, racial profiling is wrong. Racial profiling is the practice of
> detaining a person merely because of their race.
>
> It is not racial profiling, however, to detain, for example, an
Arab-looking
> guy who has bought a one-way ticket, paid cash, is flying first class, and
> is flying seemingly by himself.  This fits a known pattern.
>
> In other words, there needs to be other evidence besides his race.
>
> As for the SS guy -- he was Arab looking, he was flying by himself in
first
> class.
>
> I can see some initial suspicion, but it's ludicrous that it went further
> than that and if I were him, I'd sue as well.
>
> -- > He carried a badge and other identification.
>
> -- > His ticket was clearly marked as paid for by the federal government
>
> -- > He provided a phone number to verify his credentials -- a number that
> the Airline never called.
>
> There is no sound reason for the pilot to behave belligerently and delay
the
> flight for 90 minutes. This matter should have been cleared up in five
> minutes tops.
>
> H.
>
>

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