<snip>
> And like it or not, looking Arab these days means you can potentially come
> under scrutiny. There are apparently thousands, if not millions, of Arabs
> who want to do us harm. No amount of politically correct bullshit is going
> to change that fact.  So, if you're Arab, after 911, and you fit other
> aspects of the terrorist profile (again, being Arab, alone, is not
enough),
> you are going to be stopped and questioned. That is only right and proper
to
> protect innocent lives.
</snip>

I objective to the institutionalisation of  'racial profiling'. This
alienates groups and promotes racial divides rather than racial
understanding. It validates the link between the words  'Arab' and
'Terrorist' which in turn makes it difficult for your average American to
have a deeper understanding of what happened on Sept 11. Things are
simplified into ignorant racial dichotomies which absolve local authorities
from any blame for what happened on Sept 11. Where blame is wholly
transformed into the basic understanding that dark skinned people look like
'Arab Terrorists'. The discussion digresses into a simple and ignorant
hatred of those 'Arab Terrorists' rather than 'Why were we attacked and by
who specifically and how can we prevent it in the future?'. People with
non-white skin color and 'funny names' become evidence of potential
terrorists. We are not moving forward with this kind of thinking.

Is it being politically correct to criticize the basic forming (validation)
of a relationship between darker skin color and terrorism? So simple and
powerful a message that it becomes the only understanding of the events.  I
would even suggest that 'radical profiling' is a form of terrorism as well -
however subtle and while not necessarily violent (although I don't think
that would always be the case) shares some of the effects of terrorism. In
your example you said that the Simi sheriff's deputies stopped every black
male. They were able to do this because of the 'generally accepted'
behavioural models set by their superiors and the media. This is a trickle
down effect. If you validate racial profiling from the very top of this
order, it translates into an obvious (and sometimes violent) loss of human
rights. Sure a 'good police work' involves the collection of real evidence.
Do you really believe that 'good police practice' is the norm in America? In
these times? Not even the American government presented a solid case to
persecute those who perpetrated 9-11. Do you think your average town sheriff
is going to bother themselves with justice when they are taught (by the
highest, most influential institutions in the country) that the Arabs are
the enemy and it's ok to detain them bases on skin color. Calling something
politically correct is a means of over-simplifying an important issue.
Consider the depth of the issue.

Benjamin





----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: We are in big trouble


> When you combine various investigative factors and evidence, whether it
> includes race or not, it's not and no way can it be racial profiling. It's
> good police work.
>
> If a black man robs a bank and escapes in a blue, late model Cadillac --
are
> cops going to stop and question white women driving blue, late model
> Cadillacs?  Of course not. They are going to stop and question, if they
see
> them, black men driving blue, late model Cadillacs.  And if you take away
> the police power to do that, you are effectively inviting criminals to be
> criminals.
>
> In Simi Valley, there were several bank robberies last year -- all
> perpetrated by single black men. The Simi sheriff's deputies have been
> stopping and questioning every single black man they see in Simi (blacks
> make up only about 1 percent of the population in Simi). They adamantly
deny
> that they are engaging in racial profiling, but to me this is racial
> profiling because the deputies have no other evidence to go on.  If they
> were able to supplement their vague knowledge with specific information
and
> then stopped only people who fit that profile, then they would be doing
good
> police work.
>
> And like it or not, looking Arab these days means you can potentially come
> under scrutiny. There are apparently thousands, if not millions, of Arabs
> who want to do us harm. No amount of politically correct bullshit is going
> to change that fact.  So, if you're Arab, after 911, and you fit other
> aspects of the terrorist profile (again, being Arab, alone, is not
enough),
> you are going to be stopped and questioned. That is only right and proper
to
> protect innocent lives.
>
> H.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 9:44 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: We are in big trouble
>
>
> You say racial profiling is wrong... even when their are other factors
(such
> as one way ticket etc) what you describe is still racial profiling.... the
> others are other types of profiling.... buying a one way time for example
is
> ticket profiling.... flying alone is another form of profiling...
>
> So you saying its okay to profile racially so long as other forms of
> profiling are included in the assessment. I think it's wrong altogether...
> it make officials include race in their assessment of potential criminals
> (for example... police officer: "... he looks like an Arab... should we
> question him...") ... after a while, this becomes standard... then the
> general perception that Arabs are criminals develops (although Hollywood
> also already done a stirling job of forming that perception in the last 20
> years).
>
> Put yourself in their shoes... just imagine you are a successful middle
> eastern male business man. Pre 9-11 you could mostly go where you pleased
> without harassment, now post 9-11 you become everybody's posterboy for
> terrorism, being stopped regularly at airports, having fellow passengers
eye
> you suspiciously, being delayed for 'security checks'... all because of
the
> color of your skin. Most white folks would say "just deal with it... it's
> for everyone's safely ... no big deal..." but just imagine how that feels
> for these people...to be a suspect because of the color of your skin.
Hey...
> maybe nothing has changed... they have been doing that to African
Americans
> for some time... only now the media has come up with a new (pc) buzz word
> 'racial profiling'... sounds like 'collateral damage' or 'friendly fire'
or
> 'post traumatic stress disorder'. A word that is used to create a positive
> response from the public to an activity that involves unjust treatment of
> people.
>
> Once the middle class white American public accept 'racial profiling' as a
> concept and condone the police employing it doesn't that take us towards a
> more racist society rather than away from racism? It's judging people by
the
> color of their skin. Most people who say that racial profiling is
acceptable
> (even if combined with other forms of 'profiling') obviously haven't
> experienced any kind of racism directed towards them). This is just
another
> form of institutional racism however innocent it may be dressed.
>
> Benjamin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:04 PM
> Subject: RE: We are in big trouble
>
>
> > OK, I'll weigh in now ...
> >
> > First, racial profiling is wrong. Racial profiling is the practice of
> > detaining a person merely because of their race.
> >
> > It is not racial profiling, however, to detain, for example, an
> Arab-looking
> > guy who has bought a one-way ticket, paid cash, is flying first class,
and
> > is flying seemingly by himself.  This fits a known pattern.
> >
> > In other words, there needs to be other evidence besides his race.
> >
> > As for the SS guy -- he was Arab looking, he was flying by himself in
> first
> > class.
> >
> > I can see some initial suspicion, but it's ludicrous that it went
further
> > than that and if I were him, I'd sue as well.
> >
> > -- > He carried a badge and other identification.
> >
> > -- > His ticket was clearly marked as paid for by the federal government
> >
> > -- > He provided a phone number to verify his credentials -- a number
that
> > the Airline never called.
> >
> > There is no sound reason for the pilot to behave belligerently and delay
> the
> > flight for 90 minutes. This matter should have been cleared up in five
> > minutes tops.
> >
> > H.
> >
> >
>
> 
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