Waaaaait a minute here. You're the only person here who said anything about the third party being less than human. NO ONE has demonized anyone in the news report that was posted nor any of the others. I demonized the murderers as being murderers, not for their religion or anything else. Your reading a lot into the news that isn't there. No, someone doesn't get up in the morning and say he's going to blow up others. He's indoctrinated into it by his fellows. He's told of the rewards and good he's doing. He's told that death doesn't matter and given social support for his action. He's even given honor for his action. There's an entire culture that goes into someone blowing themselves up to kill others. That's the context. A culture of death. A death cult. When one of these death cultists kills innocents, we're not being lied to by our government. We're being told the truth. A truth we don't want to deal with so we fall back to other things. We say its all propaganda. We say its the government lying to us. We say "I don't believe a word I'm told anymore". I'm really at a loss as to where you get your ideas from. While the invasion of Iraq may have been on false pretenses (and there is still evidence of WMDs from Saddam's own people), it was never a war against Muslims. It was never painted as a war against Muslims. Muslims were never painted as subhuman. I don't know where your getting all this from, but I'm not seeing it. How about you ignore the war for a second and focus on actions. Hell, go before the was and focus on the same actions. This is all about actions. Stop letting a bias against Bush cloud your judgment and sight of what has and is happening. This has nothing to do with Bush. This has nothing to do with some cartoons. This has to do with evil people doing evil things and I use that word specifically. Ignoring the evil because of something someone else did that you don't agree with is insane. If Bush died tomorrow would these monsters still be killing innocents? Yes. If we left Iraq tomorrow would they still murder in the twisted name of a religion? Yes. We didn't cause them to kill, we don't cause them to kill so why are you blaming us for their actions?
> Michael, I am saying that I don't believe a word I am told anymore, > especially when the jist of it is that a third party is less than human. I > think I have said many times already, but I will say it again: > > I deplore the death, mutilation of ANYONE but most especially the murder > of innocent people. Of course! What the hell, why do I have to say that > again? > > I just don't think that anyone gets up in the morning and says you know > what? I am going to go blow myself and a few other people. There is a > context, however twisted, however much they have been lied to. How do you > get to the point where it seems like a good idea to do that? I don't know > but I sincerely doubt it's pure orneriness. That there is religious > corruption is almost certain, that these kids are being used a near > certainty. > > Hating them won't solve that though. Personally, I don't know that we, > meaning you and I, *can* solve that... > > Meanwhile, we are being lied to, we have a government that specializes in > making us hate each other, we are being used, do you really think we > aren't? The only difference is we are doing our killing over there. That's > all I am trying to say. > > If we get up on our white charger and turn this into some sort of crusade > to make the world a better place by ridding ourselves of these > "subhumans", we will only bleed more, because it will validate their view > of us. That is ALL I am saying. And that is exactly the way I think this > is going. I realize that you approve. > > Again, I don't think you and I will agree, because even with a 'most' not > an 'all', I don't agree with your statements. They kill. We kill. It is > all tragic. It's been going on in Ireland for centuries and they are still > not really over it. I hope we can solve this one sooner, but I am not > optimistic. The only thing I know is that you don't solve these situations > by killing more people. > > If you think the above means that I am excusing violence, then I don't > know what to say to you, my friend. > > Dana > > > > > > > >>Dana, this is what pisses me off. Look at what you wrote. You didn't say >>anything about the murderers other than to say that it's news because it >>shows how unreasonable *they* are. That's apologetics to me. That's >>ignoring >>the evil of what happened because you think that it's only being shown for >>propaganda. Where is your righteous indignation at the senseless >>assassinations of innocent men, women and children. You're showing me >>exactly why I'm angry. Overlook the evil to focus on something else. >>And what will you say to me? You'll say that you're not overlooking the >>evil, you care for the victims but your just pointing out a truth. >>Everyone >>is pointing out a truth rather than getting right to the point. The point >>here is that innocents were killed. The point is that their own people >>don't >>care. The point is that the world should be speaking out against senseless >>murder but it doesn't. The world doesn't speak out because it's focused on >>the news being propaganda rather than the people the news is about. >> >>Am I too angry to talk or is my anger making me talk about the things >>others >>don't want to? Is my anger cutting through all the BS to the core of the >>problem? It is sad. The whole thing is sad. This is what humanity has come >>to. The blind not speaking about the evil. >> >>Yes, I think *some* is a needless qualification. When people talk about >>another group, they never mean every single member of it. "CFers look at >>.net as the enemy". Should I have to say some CFers? Most CFers or can I >>just say CFers and let the reader understand that I'm not talking >>absolutes. >>OK, let me do it this way. MOST Muslims have no problems murdering Jews. >>MANY Muslims don't care if Shia are murdered because they are not 'their >>type' of Muslims. SOME news articles are propaganda. FEW people protest >>the >>senseless murders that go on across the world due to religious ass holes >>(sorry, extremists, militants or insurgents). >> >> >>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:196962 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
