That's still not an answer.  BTW, I didn't say Clinton was left wing.  I 
said his supporters are.  

I'll try again.  Does the standard that you applied to Jones and the 
right wingers apply to Clinton and the left wingers?  Was it sleazy for 
Clinton and his supporters to solicit donations to his legal defense 
too?  

Michael Corrigan
Programmer
Endora Digital Solutions
1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200
Lombard, IL 60148
630-627-5055 ext.-136
630/627-5255 Fax
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Lyons 
  To: CF-Community 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:23 PM
  Subject: RE: How to lie your way into the White House - Bush-style


  Clinton left wing? ROFLMAO! maybe in a dittohead's dream, but not in
  reality.

  larry

  --
  Larry C. Lyons
  ColdFusion/Web Developer
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
  EBStor.com
  8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
  Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
  tel:   (703) 393-7930
  fax:   (703) 393-2659
  Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
         http://www.pacel.com
  email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
  --

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:12 PM
  > To: CF-Community
  > Subject: Re: How to lie your way into the White House - Bush-style
  > 
  > 
  > That's great, but you didn't answer my question. Does the 
  > standard that 
  > you applied to Jones and the right wingers apply to Clinton 
  > and the left 
  > wingers?  Was it sleazy for Clinton and his supporters like Barbra 
  > Streisand and Alec Baldwin to solicit donations to his legal defense 

  > too?
  > 
  > Michael Corrigan
  > Programmer
  > Endora Digital Solutions
  > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200
  > Lombard, IL 60148
  > 630-627-5055 ext.-136
  > 630/627-5255 Fax
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Larry Lyons 
  >   To: CF-Community 
  >   Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:07 PM
  >   Subject: RE: How to lie your way into the White House - Bush-style
  > 
  > 
  >   I also did not mention all the other anti-Clinton funds 
  > that were set 
  > up. 
  > 
  >   The whole issue was sleazy. End of story.
  > 
  >   --
  >   Larry C. Lyons
  >   ColdFusion/Web Developer
  >   Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
  >   EBStor.com
  >   8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
  >   Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
  >   tel:   (703) 393-7930
  >   fax:   (703) 393-2659
  >   Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
  >          http://www.pacel.com
  >   email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >   Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
  >   --
  > 
  >   > -----Original Message-----
  >   > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  >   > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:58 PM
  >   > To: CF-Community
  >   > Subject: Re: How to lie your way into the White House - 
Bush-style
  >   > 
  >   > 
  >   > What's your take on the Clinton Defense fund where they actively 

  >   > solicited contributions to his legal defense?  Does the standard 

  > that 
  >   > you applied to Jones and the right wingers apply to Clinton 
  >   > and the left 
  >   > wingers?
  >   > 
  >   > Michael Corrigan
  >   > Programmer
  >   > Endora Digital Solutions
  >   > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200
  >   > Lombard, IL 60148
  >   > 630-627-5055 ext.-136
  >   > 630/627-5255 Fax
  >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   >   From: Larry Lyons 
  >   >   To: CF-Community 
  >   >   Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:46 PM
  >   >   Subject: RE: How to lie your way into the White House - 
  > Bush-style
  >   > 
  >   > 
  >   >   A friend of mine is on several right wing oriented 
  > mailing lists. 
  >   > Since
  >   >   Paula Jones was in the news he's received several mailings 
  >   > requesting
  >   >   donations to her fund. And this is despite the fact that she's 

  >   > received a
  >   >   lot of other material support from several conservative 
  >   > groups. Simply
  >   >   sleazy.
  >   > 
  >   >   larry
  >   > 
  >   >   --
  >   >   Larry C. Lyons
  >   >   ColdFusion/Web Developer
  >   >   Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
  >   >   EBStor.com
  >   >   8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
  >   >   Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
  >   >   tel:   (703) 393-7930
  >   >   fax:   (703) 393-2659
  >   >   Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
  >   >          http://www.pacel.com
  >   >   email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >   >   Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
  >   >   --
  >   > 
  >   >   > -----Original Message-----
  >   >   > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  >   >   > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:44 PM
  >   >   > To: CF-Community
  >   >   > Subject: RE: How to lie your way into the White House - 
  > Bush-style
  >   >   > 
  >   >   > 
  >   >   > To paraphrase the sentiment of many here about Clinton, 
she's 
  >   >   > only human.
  >   >   > 
  >   >   > > -----Original Message-----
  >   >   > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  >   >   > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:37 PM
  >   >   > > To: CF-Community
  >   >   > > Subject: RE: How to lie your way into the White House - 
  >   > Bush-style
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > > And not so proud as to try and exploit the issue. 
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > > larry
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > > --
  >   >   > > Larry C. Lyons
  >   >   > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
  >   >   > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
  >   >   > > EBStor.com
  >   >   > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
  >   >   > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
  >   >   > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
  >   >   > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
  >   >   > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
  >   >   > >        http://www.pacel.com
  >   >   > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >   >   > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
  >   >   > > --
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > > > -----Original Message-----
  >   >   > > > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  >   >   > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:21 PM
  >   >   > > > To: CF-Community
  >   >   > > > Subject: RE: How to lie your way into the White House - 
  >   > Bush-style
  >   >   > > > 
  >   >   > > > 
  >   >   > > > Actually Beth, I think Michael's comment was about Paula 

  >   >   > > > Jones, not Monica.
  >   >   > > > 
  >   >   > > > Paula was not proud to have been harrassed by then Gov 
  >   >   > > > Clinton, she was
  >   >   > > > quite hurt by it.  She never had a cum stain from 
  > him, let 
  >   >   > > > alone keep one.
  >   >   > > > 
  >   >   > > > Russel
  >   >   > > > 
  >   >   > > > > -----Original Message-----
  >   >   > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  >   >   > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:16 PM
  >   >   > > > > To: CF-Community
  >   >   > > > > Subject: Re: How to lie your way into the White House 
- 
  >   >   > Bush-style
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > > Actually, from my point of view, I think that was 
  > propaganda
  >   >   > > > > because all the
  >   >   > > > > evidence points to a consensual relationship.  She 
kept 
  > his 
  >   >   > > > cum stains
  >   >   > > > > because she was proud of having the 
  > relationship with him.
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
  >   >   > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike
  >   >   > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy)
  >   >   > > > > Anchorage, Alaska
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   > > > > From: "Michael Corrigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >   >   > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >   >   > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:07 AM
  >   >   > > > > Subject: Re: How to lie your way into the White House 
- 
  >   >   > Bush-style
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > >
  >   >   > > > > > Don't forget why he was being investigated.  A woman 

  >   >   > > > accused him of
  >   >   > > > > > sexual harassment.  The very nature of the 
  > alleged crime 
  > 
  >   >   > > > was sexual in
  >   >   > > > > > nature so the questions in the investigation had to 
  >   >   > > > revolve around his
  >   >   > > > > > sexual activity (duh).  The apologists for Clinton 
  > always 
  >   >   > > > spin it to
  >   >   > > > > > make it sound that he was being investigated 
  > for messing 
  > 
  >   >   > > > around with
  >   >   > > > > > Monica and that it was two consenting adults. 
  >  According 
  > 
  >   >   > > > to Paula Jones,
  >   >   > > > > > she did not consent when Clinton put the 
  > moves on her.  
  >   >   > > > That's where it
  >   >   > > > > > all began.  He lied in the beginning and when they 
  >   >   > conducted their
  >   >   > > > > > investigation found discrepancies in his 
  > testimony.  Now 
  > 
  >   >   > > > they had to go
  >   >   > > > > > back a revisit the issue and figure out who's 
telling 
  > the 
  >   >   > > > truth, and on
  >   >   > > > > > and on it went.  It was not about sex, it was about 
a 
  >   >   > > > crime that was
  >   >   > > > > > allegedly committed by one person on another. 
  >  You may 
  >   >   > > > not believe Paula
  >   >   > > > > > Jones, but I doubt one person on this list would 
  > disagree 
  >   >   > > > that it should
  >   >   > > > > > not have been investigated.  The 
  > investigation regarding 
  > 
  >   >   > > > that case kept
  >   >   > > > > > ballooning because he kept lying and getting 
  > caught in 
  >   >   > > > the process.
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > > BTW: Not directed at you Marcus. Your e-mail just 
  >   >   > > > happened to be the one
  >   >   > > > > > I responded to.  This was a general response to 
those 
  > who 
  >   >   > > > maintain that
  >   >   > > > > > it was sex between two consenting adults when 
  > it wasn't.
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > > Michael Corrigan
  >   >   > > > > > Programmer
  >   >   > > > > > Endora Digital Solutions
  >   >   > > > > > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200
  >   >   > > > > > Lombard, IL 60148
  >   >   > > > > > 630-627-5055 ext.-136
  >   >   > > > > > 630/627-5255 Fax
  >   >   > > > > >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   > > > > >   From: Marcus
  >   >   > > > > >   To: CF-Community
  >   >   > > > > >   Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:46 PM
  >   >   > > > > >   Subject: RE: How to lie your way into the 
  > White House 
  > - 
  >   >   > > > Bush-style
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >   > If its a law thats antiquated and not 
  > enforced, then 
  > 
  >   >   > > > yes it does.
  >   >   > > > > >   >  Have you
  >   >   > > > > >   > seen that list of ridiculous laws that 
circulates 
  > the 
  >   >   > > > internet?  If
  >   >   > > > > > I got
  >   >   > > > > >   > arrested for one of those laws then most 
  > certainly, 
  > I 
  >   >   > > > would say I
  >   >   > > > > > had been
  >   >   > > > > >   > wronged.
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >   Certainly... But those are laws like don't 
  > eat an ice 
  >   >   > > > cream by the
  >   >   > > > > > lake.
  >   >   > > > > >   Don't wear shorts on Sundays. Laws which 
  > make little 
  > or 
  >   >   > > > no sense at
  >   >   > > > > > all, and
  >   >   > > > > >   would fall apart in any court in the land 
(although 
  > why 
  >   >   > > > we haven't
  >   >   > > > > > gotten
  >   >   > > > > >   them off the books is beyond me).
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >   Mr. Clinton's sexual escapades, while by no means 
a 
  >   >   > > > high crime, were
  >   >   > > > > > in fact
  >   >   > > > > >   illegal, but that's beside my point. If he had 
  >   >   > stated that his
  >   >   > > > > > personal life
  >   >   > > > > >   was his own, and he would only answer questions 
  >   >   > > > pertaining to his job
  >   >   > > > > > as
  >   >   > > > > >   president, I would have still disliked him, but I 
  > would 
  >   >   > > > have respected
  >   >   > > > > > the
  >   >   > > > > >   privacy of what he did and left it to his 
  > family and 
  >   >   > > > him to sort out.
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >   However, when he 'LIED' to investigators, 
  > and 'LIED' 
  >   >   > > > under oath, he
  >   >   > > > > > changed
  >   >   > > > > >   everything! Like him, if I was caught in an 
  > adulterous 
  > 
  >   >   > > > relationship,
  >   >   > > > > > chances
  >   >   > > > > >   are no criminal charges would be filed 
  > against me, and 
  > 
  >   >   > > > the matter
  >   >   > > > > > would be
  >   >   > > > > >   between my wife and I. But if I lie under oath, 
and 
  >   >   > > > they find out that
  >   >   > > > > > I
  >   >   > > > > >   did... I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that I go 

  >   >   > > > behind bars...
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >   I also feel that while we are all human, 
  > the president 
  > 
  >   >   > > > needs to be
  >   >   > > > > > held to a
  >   >   > > > > >   higher standard.
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >   Marcus
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > >
  >   >   > > > > 
  >   >   > > > 
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > 
  >   >   
  >   > 
  >   
  > 
  
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