I have Faith.

Faith in my daughter.
Faith in my family.
Faith in my self.
Sometimes Faith in my car.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 4:47 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Battleground God


*mumbles blissfully from his stupor*

Faith in god and religion different context from faith in monsters'
existence/non existence.
Different kind of faith.

*turns on his side*
Mmm..Muffins...

-Gel


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 6:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Battleground God


At what point are you confused. I'll try to break it down further, if
you like.  But it's just a set of logical propositions reaching a
conclusion:

To deny one has faith in the existence or non-existence of God is
irrational.

H.



-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 2:21 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Battleground God


*falls over in confused stupor*

-Gel


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I think it's a valid comparison.

The Loch Ness monster seems to be a creature of myth. Perfectly rational
people believe they have seen Nessy, but there is little if any
empirical evidence to support the existence of the Nessy. It is equally
hard to prove that God does not exist as it is to prove that Nessy does
not exist.

As I suggested earlier, the flaw of the game is that it presupposes that
faith is not rational. Pure faith can be a rational response to ones
environment. You need not be crazy or stupid to have faith. And since
all things that cannot be proven one way another (such as the existence
or lack of existence of God or Nessy) are matters of faith, to say that
faith is irrational is to say that all people are irrational, because
all people, at the end of the day, base their ultimate beliefs about God
on faith. If all people are irrational, than the statements of none can
be trusted. But since we can observe that some people are rational, and
since all people have faith, and since in rational people, their faith
is founded on some sort of reasonable response to experience, then we
must conclude that faith is rational.

It is the proclamation of a lack of faith that is irrational because the
person who proclaims a lack of faith is denying all evidence to the
contrary that he cannot disprove the existence of God.

H.




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