culture has everythng to do it. Two groups are in conflict. We gave
one ascendancy and are all surprised that they are not real nice
people either. Sure we are there to win but what is winning in this
context? We don't even understand the game.

On 10/6/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > My personal opinion is that the US needs a more granular understanding
> > of other cultures before it attempts to manipulate them.
>
> I still have no clue why this has anything to do with Iraq.  Culture
> is the LAST thing we're trying to manipulate.
>
> The UN needs to understand culture.  The State Dept needs to
> understand culture.  If we had a nation building service, they'd have
> to understand culture.
>
> In Iraq, we've got military there and their job is to kill the enemy.
> Of course that mission depends on defining the enemy and in Iraq
> that's NEVER been clear and thus we're doomed to be forever followers
> there, not leaders.
>
> The "war" will be over when Iraqis decided it is and there's NOTHING
> Americans, or our military, can do to change that.
>
> As for "victory" in Iraq we've already had it; Hussein is defeated and
> dead and we control the gov't.  We can go 2 ways now:
>
> 1.) Colonize Iraq, or
> 2.) Let the people there do what they will.
>
> As for Bin Laden, well, we still don't have a victory there: Bin laden
> is not defeated nor dead, and his operations arm is running just fine.
>  So, for Al Quaeda, we can go 2 ways as well:
>
> 1.) Fight and win, or
> 2.) continue to scrap by with the bare minimum as we are today.
>
> 

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