Oh, it's fine with me if you read all or part or none, really. And Truly.
Feel free to just ignore me at times, hit that delete key without
having a second thought.
It's your loss, of course ;-)
Didn't mean to imply you were from Califas, bro. Just using it as
that stereotypical example, by golly.
--
You can observe a lot just by watching.
Yogi Berra
On Jan 3, 2008 6:47 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're not going to like that I didn't read your entire post because
> it's quite long and started going off the deep end of the rant pool.
> However I did want to clarify that I am not from California, I just
> lived there 4 years. I am from Atlanta, where I now live.
>
> -Cameron
>
>
> Dinner wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Dinner wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's not a total free for all, Cameron. I just want to be able to do
> >>> what I want, without *forcing* anyone do do anything.
> >>>
> >>> As much as possible.
> >>>
> >>> Others seem to think forcing stuff is the only way to get things done,
> >>> which I sorta abhor.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I do agree with you actually, I think that the line is in a different
> >> place for me about what constituted forcing someone to do something. In
> >> your view the government would be forcing people not to smoke. In my
> >> view, I am being forced to inhale other people's smoke. I know it's a
> >> difficult position to defend to say that I (and others, kids, employees,
> >> etc) am forced to inhale secondhand smoke since I could simply not enter
> >> the establishment, but that's not really practical if virtually every
> >> establishment in town allows smoking.
> >>
> >
> > It is a difficult position to defend. Ask yourself why. Seems
> > analogous to people who want to control what other people can see on
> > TV. Too busy to watch their own kids, they want Someone Else to be
> > responsible.
> >
> > It's not about convenience for you, it's about all of our rights. It
> > sounds sorta like you stand up for your rights, but other peoples,
> > well, don't matter as much.
> >
> > "Not really practical if virtually every establishment in town allows
> > smoking"
> >
> > You'd have to be in a pretty "backwards" (heh) town for that to be the
> > case. But even so; are you "one of those people" who thinks that
> > because you moved into a community that has values or whatever other
> > than your own, you have the right to change the community? Hey, lets
> > get a bunch of people from Cali to move here, so we can have what we
> > have there, here! It's only right, right? Screw what other people
> > like or dislike. Lets all be the same, and "correct". Yes, lets all
> > be the same. By law. That's what Law is for, right? Lets have a law
> > that requires at least one micky-D's in every town with a population
> > over 100. Then people will never feel like they're "away from home"
> > or that they "don't have options"-- wouldn't want them to have to
> > actually try the local fare.
> >
> > Bah. I'm getting silly. Yeah, I "generally" care about liberty too.
> >
> > Look, the government isn't FORCING you to enter a smoking establishment.
> >
> > They are FORCING smoking establishments out of existence, right? Your
> > "right" as a non-smoker, to not visit places with smoke, wasn't
> > enough? Now you want to take my right to choose away from me?
> >
> > Seems like you don't want people to have options. Your viewpoint is
> > the Good one, obviously, and the Government needs to get involved,
> > because it's fun to spend our tax money to limit other's freedoms,
> > right? Screw the cool stuff, lets get the government involved in our
> > bars, dance halls, and various venues, even more than they already
> > are.
> >
> > OSHA can be a silly, silly deal. From past experience. Every layer we
> > add....
> >
> > Why does everyone want the government to be some type of lifestyle
> > enforcer? It's sickening. But SOP. Too bad the few who knew why
> > protecting someone else's right is right, even if they don't
> > personally subscribe to whatever the choice may be.
> >
> > What do you think about the women's right to choose? How about
> > letting people kill themselves?
> >
> > We Got a Jumper!
> > Suicide is against the law! Quick, shoot the him before he hits the ground!
> >
> >
> >> I mean really, if we want to toss out the public health aspect
> >> altogether, I just don't like smoke. I know alot of people who don't
> >> like smoke, including smokers. To the extent that I have the ability to
> >> control my environment, I am going to do what I can to make the places I
> >> like to go smoke free.
> >>
> >
> > Are you telling my you are some sorta obsessive-compulsive? You are
> > really saying that you want to control other people's environments, to
> > the full extent of the law, which you would see cover even more.
> > Swell. Lets all spend our hard earned dough so you don't have to
> > worry about controlling yourself. You will be able to go anywhere you
> > want! WOuldn't that be swell? That it makes me have fewer places to
> > go doesn't seem to even register.
> >
> > Was there no such thing as non-smoking before the government got
> > involved? Crazy, alien thoughts... self-control, allowing others to
> > make "bad" choices...
> >
> > I don't think you're very liberty oriented, in reality.
> >
> > We just passed some bans in my country. At first, bars, eateries and
> > golf courses were "banned". Then the mayor comes out (it was his
> > idea, or something-- he loves himself-- whatever floats your boat,
> > but, you're supposed to listen when the majority says something, and
> > you represent 'em, or however that crazy governing system went) and is
> > like "I'm going to lift the ban on Golf courses, because they're not
> > really family oriented" or some bullshit like that --as if, bars are
> > places where kids & "families" hang out or some shit-- really it's
> > just sad. You know, /know/ one of his buddies called him up, and was
> > like "I like my cigars while I'm tee-ing" or whatever. Just so lame.
> >
> > But it's lame anyways. Why do you think you should be able to control
> > my ability to have dinner and a smoke? Why do your "rights to clean
> > air" trump my rights to enjoy myself, few as the chances are? Oh, I
> > know-- Quit Smoking! That's an answer that would make everyone happy,
> > right? Solve that problem right up!
> >
> > It's like a religious nut who wants creationism in the classroom,
> > claiming it's science. You claim to care about other's rights, but in
> > reality, you don't want those skin heads to be able to congregate and
> > spew their hate speech. Can't they see that they're just... wrong?
> > Let's have the government FORCE them to not do that thing they do that
> > I don't like. Surely not in a public place!!! What about the
> > children!?!?!
> >
> > Sad, man, sad.
> >
> > I say, let them Nazis do their thing in civic plaza-- this IS fucking
> > America. Hell Yeah.
> >
> > Oh, wait-- Cap is dead, guess that's sorta like a play on the US o A.
> > *sniff* See ya, Rogers. May your shield be ever shiny, and bouncy.
> > God I loved how it bounced. Alas.
> >
> > Out of the ashes, hopefully, something grand will come. (I'll still
> > miss the original, of course.
>
>
>
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