you are twisting my words. Read what I just said. I know people that did this and so do you. If you want an actual discussion, fine. Otherwise I can just go argue with Sam or with the wall here.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > And they did this because Bush said if the Democrats win so do the > terrorists? Links? > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > there were a lot of people who enlisted because they thought it would > help > > keep their country safe, that it was threatened by Iraq and that > defeating > > Iraq would make the US safe. > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> It think its quite easy. we need to educate voters so they know when > >> politicians are lying. > >> > >> Now, that may seem like a daunting task, but there is one sure fire > >> way to know when a politician is lying: their lips are moving. > >> > >> Seriously, though, I am not talking about the normal political shit. I > >> am talking about stuff like this specific issue, where it should be > >> obvious to anyone with a high school education that it was hyperbole. > >> > >> There were lot of people who enlisted because Bush said if the > >> Democrats get elected the terrorists win? Forgive me, but, links? > >> > >> And Michael, you are correct it would be a small voter base. But then > >> again, maybe it should only count for people who could not see through > >> my own hyperbole > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > maybe but there are a lot of them out there. It was probably the most > >> > frequent response. Hard to argue you're a democracy when the criterion > >> for > >> > citizenship is cynicism and a selective memory. Some people really do > >> > believe what the government tells them, Scott. Look at all the people > who > >> > enlisted. Should they lose their right to vote?? Maybe just maybe we > >> should > >> > figure out a way to weed the BSers out of the political process > instead. > >> If > >> > you have suggestions on that I am all ears. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> What? > >> >> > >> >> Are you trying to say I should not believe that I was not one of the > >> >> people whose lives were 'threatened' if I did not vote for Bush, or > >> >> that I shouldn't believe that I didn't believe it? > >> >> > >> >> It was political posturing and pure, unadulterated bullshit. Anyone > >> >> who cannot see through that should probably have their right to vote > >> >> revoked. > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > ok well. As someone who was doing voter outreach in the 2004 > election > >> I > >> >> can > >> >> > assure you that lots of people read it that way. If you want to > >> believe > >> >> that > >> >> > you weren't one of them, be my guest. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That is not what you said. You said people's lives were > threatened > >> if > >> >> >> they did not vote for Bush. I do not take that statement as > >> >> >> 'threatening my life'. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> See, I took it for what it was, a political speech, given by a > >> >> >> politician. Which means, there is maybe, and this is stretching > it, > >> >> >> 5% truth and 95% hyperbole. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "the terrorists win"??? That doesn't sound scary and probably > >> lethal > >> >> >> > to you? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected] > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I don't see where it says I would die if I did not vote for > Bush > >> >> >> >> (which is what you claimed happened in the other thread). :D > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders turn up > the > >> >> >> rhetoric > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base > >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders > >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders > >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> > advertisement | your ad here < > http://www.sfgate.com/mediakit/ > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] </> Back to > >> >> >> >> > > Article</cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL> > >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] > >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists GOP leaders turn up > the > >> >> >> rhetoric > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Michael Abramowitz, Washington Post > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > *(10-31) 04:00 PDT Sugar Land, Texas* -- President Bush said > >> >> >> terrorists > >> >> >> >> will > >> >> >> >> > win if Democrats win and impose their policies on Iraq, as he > >> and > >> >> Vice > >> >> >> >> > President Dick Cheney escalated their rhetoric Monday in an > >> effort > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> turn > >> >> >> >> > out Republican voters in next week's midterm elections. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Faced with potential GOP defeat in both the House and Senate, > >> Bush > >> >> and > >> >> >> >> > Cheney aimed to avert that by convincing voters they cannot > risk > >> >> >> giving > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> > opposition party any power in Washington. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > "However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes > down > >> to > >> >> >> this: > >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> > terrorists win and America loses," Bush told a raucous crowd > of > >> >> some > >> >> >> >> 5,000 > >> >> >> >> > GOP partisans packed in the arena at an earlier stop at > Georgia > >> >> >> Southern > >> >> >> >> > University in Statesboro, Ga. "That's what's at stake in this > >> >> >> election. > >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> > Democrat goal is to get out of Iraq. The Republican goal is > to > >> win > >> >> in > >> >> >> >> Iraq." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Democrats reacted sharply to the latest White House attacks. > >> Senate > >> >> >> >> Minority > >> >> >> >> > Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Bush "resorted to the same > >> tired > >> >> old > >> >> >> >> > partisan attacks in a desperate attempt to hold onto power." > >> House > >> >> >> >> Minority > >> >> >> >> > Leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco said Bush is looking to > >> retain > >> >> a > >> >> >> >> > "rubber-stamp Republican Congress that has done nothing to > >> change > >> >> our > >> >> >> >> failed > >> >> >> >> > Iraq policy." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Cheney, meanwhile, said in an interview with Fox News that he > >> >> believed > >> >> >> >> > insurgents in Iraq are timing their attacks to influence the > >> >> American > >> >> >> >> > elections. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > "It's my belief that they're very sensitive of the fact that > >> we've > >> >> got > >> >> >> an > >> >> >> >> > election scheduled," he said. Cheney said the insurgents > believe > >> >> "they > >> >> >> >> can > >> >> >> >> > break the will of the American people. ... That's what > they're > >> >> trying > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> > do." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The increasingly combative tone from the White House signaled > a > >> >> >> >> coordinated > >> >> >> >> > GOP effort to use every channel to remind conservatives why > they > >> >> >> should > >> >> >> >> turn > >> >> >> >> > out to vote, despite what many say is their disenchantment > with > >> the > >> >> >> Mark > >> >> >> >> > Foley page scandal, anger over escalating federal spending > and > >> >> anxiety > >> >> >> >> over > >> >> >> >> > the course of the Iraq war. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The president's travel schedule in the final week of the > >> campaign > >> >> is a > >> >> >> >> stark > >> >> >> >> > reminder of his political weakness in many parts of the > country > >> -- > >> >> and > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> > many swing districts -- where it is too dangerous for GOP > >> >> candidates > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> > seen with Bush. After his rally in Georgia on Monday, Bush > flew > >> to > >> >> >> Sugar > >> >> >> >> > Land to stump for the GOP candidate trying to succeed former > >> House > >> >> >> >> Majority > >> >> >> >> > Leader Tom DeLay, who won his seat by 14 points two years ago > >> >> before > >> >> >> >> > resigning his seat amid the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal. > >> There > >> >> was > >> >> >> no > >> >> >> >> > sign of the man who once relished his Capitol Hill reputation > as > >> >> "The > >> >> >> >> > Hammer" on Monday's visit. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > "The fact that Republicans are working hard to hold onto one > of > >> the > >> >> >> most > >> >> >> >> > Republican districts in the country -- that tells you the > depth > >> of > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> > Republican struggles around the country," said Amy Walter, > who > >> >> tracks > >> >> >> >> House > >> >> >> >> > races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > White House aides disputed this characterization, saying the > >> Sugar > >> >> >> Land > >> >> >> >> race > >> >> >> >> > is a special case since DeLay resigned too late for the > courts > >> to > >> >> >> allow > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> > GOP to replace him on the ballot. Instead, Republicans are > >> >> promoting > >> >> >> >> Shelley > >> >> >> >> > Sekula Gibbs, a Houston city councilwoman and dermatologist, > as > >> a > >> >> >> >> write-in > >> >> >> >> > candidate. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The crowd at Georgia Southern seemed to respond most > >> >> enthusiastically > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> > Bush's most conservative lines, roaring after Bush criticized > >> last > >> >> >> week's > >> >> >> >> > ruling from the New Jersey Supreme Court that gay couples are > >> >> entitled > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> > the same rights as heterosexual couples. Bush said the ruling > >> >> "raises > >> >> >> >> doubt > >> >> >> >> > about the institution of marriage." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > "We believe that marriage is a union between a man and a > woman > >> and > >> >> >> should > >> >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> > defended," Bush shouted. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > This article appeared on page *A - 5* of the San Francisco > >> >> Chronicle > >> >> >> >> > © 2006 Hearst Communications Inc. > </chronicle/info/copyright/> > >> | > >> >> >> Privacy > >> >> >> >> > Policy </pages/privacy/> | Feedback </feedback/> | RSS Feeds > >> >> </rss/> | > >> >> >> >> > FAQ</chronicle/faq.shtml>| Site > >> >> >> >> > Index </index/> | Contact </staff/> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL&type=printable > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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