WTF is that supposed to mean? I have a closed mind? You are the one claiming that Bush made threats against people's lives if they did not vote for him and refuse to see what he _actually_ said as anything but a threat. You were the one who claimed that people enlisted because Bush said if the democrats win, so do the terrorists. Don't believe it? Go back and look.
I will gladly go on record as saying that anyone who honestly (and not fighting hyperbole with more hyperbole) thought Bush was personally threatening their lives by saying 'if the Democrats win, so do the terrorists' is a fucking moron. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > No *I* apologize. I sometimes forget and try to argue with a closed mind. > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> This thread was started because you claimed that Bush threatened >> people's lives if they did not vote for him, and you posted 'proof' of >> same. You were the one who brought up people enlisting during this >> discussion. If I misunderstood what you meant by that, I apologize >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > you are twisting my words. Read what I just said. I know people that did >> > this and so do you. If you want an actual discussion, fine. Otherwise I >> can >> > just go argue with Sam or with the wall here. >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> And they did this because Bush said if the Democrats win so do the >> >> terrorists? Links? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > there were a lot of people who enlisted because they thought it would >> >> help >> >> > keep their country safe, that it was threatened by Iraq and that >> >> defeating >> >> > Iraq would make the US safe. >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> It think its quite easy. we need to educate voters so they know when >> >> >> politicians are lying. >> >> >> >> >> >> Now, that may seem like a daunting task, but there is one sure fire >> >> >> way to know when a politician is lying: their lips are moving. >> >> >> >> >> >> Seriously, though, I am not talking about the normal political shit. >> I >> >> >> am talking about stuff like this specific issue, where it should be >> >> >> obvious to anyone with a high school education that it was hyperbole. >> >> >> >> >> >> There were lot of people who enlisted because Bush said if the >> >> >> Democrats get elected the terrorists win? Forgive me, but, links? >> >> >> >> >> >> And Michael, you are correct it would be a small voter base. But then >> >> >> again, maybe it should only count for people who could not see >> through >> >> >> my own hyperbole >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > maybe but there are a lot of them out there. It was probably the >> most >> >> >> > frequent response. Hard to argue you're a democracy when the >> criterion >> >> >> for >> >> >> > citizenship is cynicism and a selective memory. Some people really >> do >> >> >> > believe what the government tells them, Scott. Look at all the >> people >> >> who >> >> >> > enlisted. Should they lose their right to vote?? Maybe just maybe >> we >> >> >> should >> >> >> > figure out a way to weed the BSers out of the political process >> >> instead. >> >> >> If >> >> >> > you have suggestions on that I am all ears. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you trying to say I should not believe that I was not one of >> the >> >> >> >> people whose lives were 'threatened' if I did not vote for Bush, >> or >> >> >> >> that I shouldn't believe that I didn't believe it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It was political posturing and pure, unadulterated bullshit. >> Anyone >> >> >> >> who cannot see through that should probably have their right to >> vote >> >> >> >> revoked. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ok well. As someone who was doing voter outreach in the 2004 >> >> election >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> can >> >> >> >> > assure you that lots of people read it that way. If you want to >> >> >> believe >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> > you weren't one of them, be my guest. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That is not what you said. You said people's lives were >> >> threatened >> >> >> if >> >> >> >> >> they did not vote for Bush. I do not take that statement as >> >> >> >> >> 'threatening my life'. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> See, I took it for what it was, a political speech, given by a >> >> >> >> >> politician. Which means, there is maybe, and this is >> stretching >> >> it, >> >> >> >> >> 5% truth and 95% hyperbole. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "the terrorists win"??? That doesn't sound scary and probably >> >> >> lethal >> >> >> >> >> > to you? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Stroz < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't see where it says I would die if I did not vote for >> >> Bush >> >> >> >> >> >> (which is what you claimed happened in the other thread). >> :D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Dana < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders turn >> up >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> rhetoric >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base >> >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP >> leaders >> >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP >> leaders >> >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> >> > advertisement | your ad here < >> >> http://www.sfgate.com/mediakit/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] </> Back to >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Article</cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists GOP leaders turn up >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> rhetoric >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Michael Abramowitz, Washington Post >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > *(10-31) 04:00 PDT Sugar Land, Texas* -- President Bush >> said >> >> >> >> >> terrorists >> >> >> >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> >> >> > win if Democrats win and impose their policies on Iraq, as >> he >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> Vice >> >> >> >> >> >> > President Dick Cheney escalated their rhetoric Monday in >> an >> >> >> effort >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> turn >> >> >> >> >> >> > out Republican voters in next week's midterm elections. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Faced with potential GOP defeat in both the House and >> Senate, >> >> >> Bush >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney aimed to avert that by convincing voters they >> cannot >> >> risk >> >> >> >> >> giving >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > opposition party any power in Washington. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes >> >> down >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> this: >> >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> >> > terrorists win and America loses," Bush told a raucous >> crowd >> >> of >> >> >> >> some >> >> >> >> >> >> 5,000 >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP partisans packed in the arena at an earlier stop at >> >> Georgia >> >> >> >> >> Southern >> >> >> >> >> >> > University in Statesboro, Ga. "That's what's at stake in >> this >> >> >> >> >> election. >> >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> >> > Democrat goal is to get out of Iraq. The Republican goal >> is >> >> to >> >> >> win >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> >> Iraq." >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Democrats reacted sharply to the latest White House >> attacks. >> >> >> Senate >> >> >> >> >> >> Minority >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Bush "resorted to the >> same >> >> >> tired >> >> >> >> old >> >> >> >> >> >> > partisan attacks in a desperate attempt to hold onto >> power." >> >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> >> Minority >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco said Bush is looking >> to >> >> >> retain >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> > "rubber-stamp Republican Congress that has done nothing to >> >> >> change >> >> >> >> our >> >> >> >> >> >> failed >> >> >> >> >> >> > Iraq policy." >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney, meanwhile, said in an interview with Fox News that >> he >> >> >> >> believed >> >> >> >> >> >> > insurgents in Iraq are timing their attacks to influence >> the >> >> >> >> American >> >> >> >> >> >> > elections. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "It's my belief that they're very sensitive of the fact >> that >> >> >> we've >> >> >> >> got >> >> >> >> >> an >> >> >> >> >> >> > election scheduled," he said. Cheney said the insurgents >> >> believe >> >> >> >> "they >> >> >> >> >> >> can >> >> >> >> >> >> > break the will of the American people. ... That's what >> >> they're >> >> >> >> trying >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > do." >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The increasingly combative tone from the White House >> signaled >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> coordinated >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP effort to use every channel to remind conservatives >> why >> >> they >> >> >> >> >> should >> >> >> >> >> >> turn >> >> >> >> >> >> > out to vote, despite what many say is their disenchantment >> >> with >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> > Foley page scandal, anger over escalating federal spending >> >> and >> >> >> >> anxiety >> >> >> >> >> >> over >> >> >> >> >> >> > the course of the Iraq war. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The president's travel schedule in the final week of the >> >> >> campaign >> >> >> >> is a >> >> >> >> >> >> stark >> >> >> >> >> >> > reminder of his political weakness in many parts of the >> >> country >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> >> > many swing districts -- where it is too dangerous for GOP >> >> >> >> candidates >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> >> > seen with Bush. After his rally in Georgia on Monday, Bush >> >> flew >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> Sugar >> >> >> >> >> >> > Land to stump for the GOP candidate trying to succeed >> former >> >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> >> Majority >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Tom DeLay, who won his seat by 14 points two years >> ago >> >> >> >> before >> >> >> >> >> >> > resigning his seat amid the Jack Abramoff lobbying >> scandal. >> >> >> There >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> >> >> > sign of the man who once relished his Capitol Hill >> reputation >> >> as >> >> >> >> "The >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hammer" on Monday's visit. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "The fact that Republicans are working hard to hold onto >> one >> >> of >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> most >> >> >> >> >> >> > Republican districts in the country -- that tells you the >> >> depth >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > Republican struggles around the country," said Amy Walter, >> >> who >> >> >> >> tracks >> >> >> >> >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> >> > races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > White House aides disputed this characterization, saying >> the >> >> >> Sugar >> >> >> >> >> Land >> >> >> >> >> >> race >> >> >> >> >> >> > is a special case since DeLay resigned too late for the >> >> courts >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> allow >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP to replace him on the ballot. Instead, Republicans are >> >> >> >> promoting >> >> >> >> >> >> Shelley >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sekula Gibbs, a Houston city councilwoman and >> dermatologist, >> >> as >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> write-in >> >> >> >> >> >> > candidate. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The crowd at Georgia Southern seemed to respond most >> >> >> >> enthusiastically >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush's most conservative lines, roaring after Bush >> criticized >> >> >> last >> >> >> >> >> week's >> >> >> >> >> >> > ruling from the New Jersey Supreme Court that gay couples >> are >> >> >> >> entitled >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > the same rights as heterosexual couples. Bush said the >> ruling >> >> >> >> "raises >> >> >> >> >> >> doubt >> >> >> >> >> >> > about the institution of marriage." >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "We believe that marriage is a union between a man and a >> >> woman >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> should >> >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> >> > defended," Bush shouted. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > This article appeared on page *A - 5* of the San Francisco >> >> >> >> Chronicle >> >> >> >> >> >> > © 2006 Hearst Communications Inc. >> >> </chronicle/info/copyright/> >> >> >> | >> >> >> >> >> Privacy >> >> >> >> >> >> > Policy </pages/privacy/> | Feedback </feedback/> | RSS >> Feeds >> >> >> >> </rss/> | >> >> >> >> >> >> > FAQ</chronicle/faq.shtml>| Site >> >> >> >> >> >> > Index </index/> | Contact </staff/> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL&type=printable >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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