I said that a lot of people voted for Bush because they believed that he would keep us safe in a time of war. You said that Cheney didn't say that exactly. (But of course he never did say that exactly, check him out on Iraqi involvement in 9/11). I then said a bunch of poor slobs believed his shit and enlisted to keep the country safe.
I also said that you used to defend his lies. I don't know how you get where you are from there, but I don't have time to play therapist. Believe whatever you choose. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > WTF is that supposed to mean? > > I have a closed mind? You are the one claiming that Bush made > threats against people's lives if they did not vote for him and refuse > to see what he _actually_ said as anything but a threat. You were the > one who claimed that people enlisted because Bush said if the > democrats win, so do the terrorists. Don't believe it? Go back and > look. > > I will gladly go on record as saying that anyone who honestly (and not > fighting hyperbole with more hyperbole) thought Bush was personally > threatening their lives by saying 'if the Democrats win, so do the > terrorists' is a fucking moron. > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No *I* apologize. I sometimes forget and try to argue with a closed mind. > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> This thread was started because you claimed that Bush threatened > >> people's lives if they did not vote for him, and you posted 'proof' of > >> same. You were the one who brought up people enlisting during this > >> discussion. If I misunderstood what you meant by that, I apologize > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > you are twisting my words. Read what I just said. I know people that > did > >> > this and so do you. If you want an actual discussion, fine. Otherwise > I > >> can > >> > just go argue with Sam or with the wall here. > >> > > >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> And they did this because Bush said if the Democrats win so do the > >> >> terrorists? Links? > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > there were a lot of people who enlisted because they thought it > would > >> >> help > >> >> > keep their country safe, that it was threatened by Iraq and that > >> >> defeating > >> >> > Iraq would make the US safe. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It think its quite easy. we need to educate voters so they know > when > >> >> >> politicians are lying. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Now, that may seem like a daunting task, but there is one sure > fire > >> >> >> way to know when a politician is lying: their lips are moving. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Seriously, though, I am not talking about the normal political > shit. > >> I > >> >> >> am talking about stuff like this specific issue, where it should > be > >> >> >> obvious to anyone with a high school education that it was > hyperbole. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> There were lot of people who enlisted because Bush said if the > >> >> >> Democrats get elected the terrorists win? Forgive me, but, links? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> And Michael, you are correct it would be a small voter base. But > then > >> >> >> again, maybe it should only count for people who could not see > >> through > >> >> >> my own hyperbole > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > maybe but there are a lot of them out there. It was probably the > >> most > >> >> >> > frequent response. Hard to argue you're a democracy when the > >> criterion > >> >> >> for > >> >> >> > citizenship is cynicism and a selective memory. Some people > really > >> do > >> >> >> > believe what the government tells them, Scott. Look at all the > >> people > >> >> who > >> >> >> > enlisted. Should they lose their right to vote?? Maybe just > maybe > >> we > >> >> >> should > >> >> >> > figure out a way to weed the BSers out of the political process > >> >> instead. > >> >> >> If > >> >> >> > you have suggestions on that I am all ears. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected] > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Are you trying to say I should not believe that I was not one > of > >> the > >> >> >> >> people whose lives were 'threatened' if I did not vote for > Bush, > >> or > >> >> >> >> that I shouldn't believe that I didn't believe it? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> It was political posturing and pure, unadulterated bullshit. > >> Anyone > >> >> >> >> who cannot see through that should probably have their right to > >> vote > >> >> >> >> revoked. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > ok well. As someone who was doing voter outreach in the 2004 > >> >> election > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> >> can > >> >> >> >> > assure you that lots of people read it that way. If you want > to > >> >> >> believe > >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> > you weren't one of them, be my guest. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Scott Stroz < > [email protected] > >> > > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> That is not what you said. You said people's lives were > >> >> threatened > >> >> >> if > >> >> >> >> >> they did not vote for Bush. I do not take that statement as > >> >> >> >> >> 'threatening my life'. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> See, I took it for what it was, a political speech, given by > a > >> >> >> >> >> politician. Which means, there is maybe, and this is > >> stretching > >> >> it, > >> >> >> >> >> 5% truth and 95% hyperbole. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Dana < > [email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > "the terrorists win"??? That doesn't sound scary and > probably > >> >> >> lethal > >> >> >> >> >> > to you? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Stroz < > >> [email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't see where it says I would die if I did not vote > for > >> >> Bush > >> >> >> >> >> >> (which is what you claimed happened in the other thread). > >> :D > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Dana < > >> [email protected]> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders > turn > >> up > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> rhetoric > >> >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP > >> leaders > >> >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP > >> leaders > >> >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> >> >> > advertisement | your ad here < > >> >> http://www.sfgate.com/mediakit/ > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] </> Back to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> Article</cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists GOP leaders turn > up > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> rhetoric > >> >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Michael Abramowitz, Washington Post > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > *(10-31) 04:00 PDT Sugar Land, Texas* -- President Bush > >> said > >> >> >> >> >> terrorists > >> >> >> >> >> >> will > >> >> >> >> >> >> > win if Democrats win and impose their policies on Iraq, > as > >> he > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> Vice > >> >> >> >> >> >> > President Dick Cheney escalated their rhetoric Monday > in > >> an > >> >> >> effort > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> turn > >> >> >> >> >> >> > out Republican voters in next week's midterm elections. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Faced with potential GOP defeat in both the House and > >> Senate, > >> >> >> Bush > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney aimed to avert that by convincing voters they > >> cannot > >> >> risk > >> >> >> >> >> giving > >> >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > opposition party any power in Washington. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq > comes > >> >> down > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> this: > >> >> >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> >> >> > terrorists win and America loses," Bush told a raucous > >> crowd > >> >> of > >> >> >> >> some > >> >> >> >> >> >> 5,000 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP partisans packed in the arena at an earlier stop at > >> >> Georgia > >> >> >> >> >> Southern > >> >> >> >> >> >> > University in Statesboro, Ga. "That's what's at stake > in > >> this > >> >> >> >> >> election. > >> >> >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Democrat goal is to get out of Iraq. The Republican > goal > >> is > >> >> to > >> >> >> win > >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> >> >> Iraq." > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Democrats reacted sharply to the latest White House > >> attacks. > >> >> >> Senate > >> >> >> >> >> >> Minority > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Bush "resorted to the > >> same > >> >> >> tired > >> >> >> >> old > >> >> >> >> >> >> > partisan attacks in a desperate attempt to hold onto > >> power." > >> >> >> House > >> >> >> >> >> >> Minority > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco said Bush is > looking > >> to > >> >> >> retain > >> >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "rubber-stamp Republican Congress that has done nothing > to > >> >> >> change > >> >> >> >> our > >> >> >> >> >> >> failed > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Iraq policy." > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney, meanwhile, said in an interview with Fox News > that > >> he > >> >> >> >> believed > >> >> >> >> >> >> > insurgents in Iraq are timing their attacks to > influence > >> the > >> >> >> >> American > >> >> >> >> >> >> > elections. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "It's my belief that they're very sensitive of the fact > >> that > >> >> >> we've > >> >> >> >> got > >> >> >> >> >> an > >> >> >> >> >> >> > election scheduled," he said. Cheney said the > insurgents > >> >> believe > >> >> >> >> "they > >> >> >> >> >> >> can > >> >> >> >> >> >> > break the will of the American people. ... That's what > >> >> they're > >> >> >> >> trying > >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > do." > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The increasingly combative tone from the White House > >> signaled > >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> >> coordinated > >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP effort to use every channel to remind conservatives > >> why > >> >> they > >> >> >> >> >> should > >> >> >> >> >> >> turn > >> >> >> >> >> >> > out to vote, despite what many say is their > disenchantment > >> >> with > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> Mark > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Foley page scandal, anger over escalating federal > spending > >> >> and > >> >> >> >> anxiety > >> >> >> >> >> >> over > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the course of the Iraq war. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The president's travel schedule in the final week of > the > >> >> >> campaign > >> >> >> >> is a > >> >> >> >> >> >> stark > >> >> >> >> >> >> > reminder of his political weakness in many parts of the > >> >> country > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> >> >> > many swing districts -- where it is too dangerous for > GOP > >> >> >> >> candidates > >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> >> >> > seen with Bush. After his rally in Georgia on Monday, > Bush > >> >> flew > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> Sugar > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Land to stump for the GOP candidate trying to succeed > >> former > >> >> >> House > >> >> >> >> >> >> Majority > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Tom DeLay, who won his seat by 14 points two > years > >> ago > >> >> >> >> before > >> >> >> >> >> >> > resigning his seat amid the Jack Abramoff lobbying > >> scandal. > >> >> >> There > >> >> >> >> was > >> >> >> >> >> no > >> >> >> >> >> >> > sign of the man who once relished his Capitol Hill > >> reputation > >> >> as > >> >> >> >> "The > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hammer" on Monday's visit. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "The fact that Republicans are working hard to hold > onto > >> one > >> >> of > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> most > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Republican districts in the country -- that tells you > the > >> >> depth > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Republican struggles around the country," said Amy > Walter, > >> >> who > >> >> >> >> tracks > >> >> >> >> >> >> House > >> >> >> >> >> >> > races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > White House aides disputed this characterization, > saying > >> the > >> >> >> Sugar > >> >> >> >> >> Land > >> >> >> >> >> >> race > >> >> >> >> >> >> > is a special case since DeLay resigned too late for the > >> >> courts > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> allow > >> >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP to replace him on the ballot. Instead, Republicans > are > >> >> >> >> promoting > >> >> >> >> >> >> Shelley > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sekula Gibbs, a Houston city councilwoman and > >> dermatologist, > >> >> as > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> >> write-in > >> >> >> >> >> >> > candidate. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The crowd at Georgia Southern seemed to respond most > >> >> >> >> enthusiastically > >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush's most conservative lines, roaring after Bush > >> criticized > >> >> >> last > >> >> >> >> >> week's > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ruling from the New Jersey Supreme Court that gay > couples > >> are > >> >> >> >> entitled > >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the same rights as heterosexual couples. Bush said the > >> ruling > >> >> >> >> "raises > >> >> >> >> >> >> doubt > >> >> >> >> >> >> > about the institution of marriage." > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "We believe that marriage is a union between a man and > a > >> >> woman > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> >> should > >> >> >> >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> >> >> > defended," Bush shouted. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > This article appeared on page *A - 5* of the San > Francisco > >> >> >> >> Chronicle > >> >> >> >> >> >> > © 2006 Hearst Communications Inc. > >> >> </chronicle/info/copyright/> > >> >> >> | > >> >> >> >> >> Privacy > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Policy </pages/privacy/> | Feedback </feedback/> | RSS > >> Feeds > >> >> >> >> </rss/> | > >> >> >> >> >> >> > FAQ</chronicle/faq.shtml>| Site > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Index </index/> | Contact </staff/> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL&type=printable > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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