No *I* apologize. I sometimes forget and try to argue with a closed mind. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This thread was started because you claimed that Bush threatened > people's lives if they did not vote for him, and you posted 'proof' of > same. You were the one who brought up people enlisting during this > discussion. If I misunderstood what you meant by that, I apologize > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > you are twisting my words. Read what I just said. I know people that did > > this and so do you. If you want an actual discussion, fine. Otherwise I > can > > just go argue with Sam or with the wall here. > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> And they did this because Bush said if the Democrats win so do the > >> terrorists? Links? > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > there were a lot of people who enlisted because they thought it would > >> help > >> > keep their country safe, that it was threatened by Iraq and that > >> defeating > >> > Iraq would make the US safe. > >> > > >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> It think its quite easy. we need to educate voters so they know when > >> >> politicians are lying. > >> >> > >> >> Now, that may seem like a daunting task, but there is one sure fire > >> >> way to know when a politician is lying: their lips are moving. > >> >> > >> >> Seriously, though, I am not talking about the normal political shit. > I > >> >> am talking about stuff like this specific issue, where it should be > >> >> obvious to anyone with a high school education that it was hyperbole. > >> >> > >> >> There were lot of people who enlisted because Bush said if the > >> >> Democrats get elected the terrorists win? Forgive me, but, links? > >> >> > >> >> And Michael, you are correct it would be a small voter base. But then > >> >> again, maybe it should only count for people who could not see > through > >> >> my own hyperbole > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > maybe but there are a lot of them out there. It was probably the > most > >> >> > frequent response. Hard to argue you're a democracy when the > criterion > >> >> for > >> >> > citizenship is cynicism and a selective memory. Some people really > do > >> >> > believe what the government tells them, Scott. Look at all the > people > >> who > >> >> > enlisted. Should they lose their right to vote?? Maybe just maybe > we > >> >> should > >> >> > figure out a way to weed the BSers out of the political process > >> instead. > >> >> If > >> >> > you have suggestions on that I am all ears. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Are you trying to say I should not believe that I was not one of > the > >> >> >> people whose lives were 'threatened' if I did not vote for Bush, > or > >> >> >> that I shouldn't believe that I didn't believe it? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It was political posturing and pure, unadulterated bullshit. > Anyone > >> >> >> who cannot see through that should probably have their right to > vote > >> >> >> revoked. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ok well. As someone who was doing voter outreach in the 2004 > >> election > >> >> I > >> >> >> can > >> >> >> > assure you that lots of people read it that way. If you want to > >> >> believe > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> > you weren't one of them, be my guest. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected] > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> That is not what you said. You said people's lives were > >> threatened > >> >> if > >> >> >> >> they did not vote for Bush. I do not take that statement as > >> >> >> >> 'threatening my life'. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> See, I took it for what it was, a political speech, given by a > >> >> >> >> politician. Which means, there is maybe, and this is > stretching > >> it, > >> >> >> >> 5% truth and 95% hyperbole. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Dana <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > "the terrorists win"??? That doesn't sound scary and probably > >> >> lethal > >> >> >> >> > to you? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Stroz < > [email protected] > >> > > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> I don't see where it says I would die if I did not vote for > >> Bush > >> >> >> >> >> (which is what you claimed happened in the other thread). > :D > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Dana < > [email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders turn > up > >> the > >> >> >> >> rhetoric > >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base > >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP > leaders > >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP > leaders > >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> >> > advertisement | your ad here < > >> http://www.sfgate.com/mediakit/ > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] </> Back to > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Article</cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL> > >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] > >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists GOP leaders turn up > >> the > >> >> >> >> rhetoric > >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Michael Abramowitz, Washington Post > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > *(10-31) 04:00 PDT Sugar Land, Texas* -- President Bush > said > >> >> >> >> terrorists > >> >> >> >> >> will > >> >> >> >> >> > win if Democrats win and impose their policies on Iraq, as > he > >> >> and > >> >> >> Vice > >> >> >> >> >> > President Dick Cheney escalated their rhetoric Monday in > an > >> >> effort > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> turn > >> >> >> >> >> > out Republican voters in next week's midterm elections. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Faced with potential GOP defeat in both the House and > Senate, > >> >> Bush > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney aimed to avert that by convincing voters they > cannot > >> risk > >> >> >> >> giving > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > opposition party any power in Washington. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > "However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes > >> down > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> this: > >> >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> >> > terrorists win and America loses," Bush told a raucous > crowd > >> of > >> >> >> some > >> >> >> >> >> 5,000 > >> >> >> >> >> > GOP partisans packed in the arena at an earlier stop at > >> Georgia > >> >> >> >> Southern > >> >> >> >> >> > University in Statesboro, Ga. "That's what's at stake in > this > >> >> >> >> election. > >> >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> >> > Democrat goal is to get out of Iraq. The Republican goal > is > >> to > >> >> win > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> >> Iraq." > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Democrats reacted sharply to the latest White House > attacks. > >> >> Senate > >> >> >> >> >> Minority > >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Bush "resorted to the > same > >> >> tired > >> >> >> old > >> >> >> >> >> > partisan attacks in a desperate attempt to hold onto > power." > >> >> House > >> >> >> >> >> Minority > >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco said Bush is looking > to > >> >> retain > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> > "rubber-stamp Republican Congress that has done nothing to > >> >> change > >> >> >> our > >> >> >> >> >> failed > >> >> >> >> >> > Iraq policy." > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney, meanwhile, said in an interview with Fox News that > he > >> >> >> believed > >> >> >> >> >> > insurgents in Iraq are timing their attacks to influence > the > >> >> >> American > >> >> >> >> >> > elections. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > "It's my belief that they're very sensitive of the fact > that > >> >> we've > >> >> >> got > >> >> >> >> an > >> >> >> >> >> > election scheduled," he said. Cheney said the insurgents > >> believe > >> >> >> "they > >> >> >> >> >> can > >> >> >> >> >> > break the will of the American people. ... That's what > >> they're > >> >> >> trying > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> > do." > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > The increasingly combative tone from the White House > signaled > >> a > >> >> >> >> >> coordinated > >> >> >> >> >> > GOP effort to use every channel to remind conservatives > why > >> they > >> >> >> >> should > >> >> >> >> >> turn > >> >> >> >> >> > out to vote, despite what many say is their disenchantment > >> with > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> Mark > >> >> >> >> >> > Foley page scandal, anger over escalating federal spending > >> and > >> >> >> anxiety > >> >> >> >> >> over > >> >> >> >> >> > the course of the Iraq war. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > The president's travel schedule in the final week of the > >> >> campaign > >> >> >> is a > >> >> >> >> >> stark > >> >> >> >> >> > reminder of his political weakness in many parts of the > >> country > >> >> -- > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> >> > many swing districts -- where it is too dangerous for GOP > >> >> >> candidates > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> >> > seen with Bush. After his rally in Georgia on Monday, Bush > >> flew > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> Sugar > >> >> >> >> >> > Land to stump for the GOP candidate trying to succeed > former > >> >> House > >> >> >> >> >> Majority > >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Tom DeLay, who won his seat by 14 points two years > ago > >> >> >> before > >> >> >> >> >> > resigning his seat amid the Jack Abramoff lobbying > scandal. > >> >> There > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> >> no > >> >> >> >> >> > sign of the man who once relished his Capitol Hill > reputation > >> as > >> >> >> "The > >> >> >> >> >> > Hammer" on Monday's visit. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > "The fact that Republicans are working hard to hold onto > one > >> of > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> most > >> >> >> >> >> > Republican districts in the country -- that tells you the > >> depth > >> >> of > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > Republican struggles around the country," said Amy Walter, > >> who > >> >> >> tracks > >> >> >> >> >> House > >> >> >> >> >> > races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > White House aides disputed this characterization, saying > the > >> >> Sugar > >> >> >> >> Land > >> >> >> >> >> race > >> >> >> >> >> > is a special case since DeLay resigned too late for the > >> courts > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> allow > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > GOP to replace him on the ballot. Instead, Republicans are > >> >> >> promoting > >> >> >> >> >> Shelley > >> >> >> >> >> > Sekula Gibbs, a Houston city councilwoman and > dermatologist, > >> as > >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> write-in > >> >> >> >> >> > candidate. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > The crowd at Georgia Southern seemed to respond most > >> >> >> enthusiastically > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> > Bush's most conservative lines, roaring after Bush > criticized > >> >> last > >> >> >> >> week's > >> >> >> >> >> > ruling from the New Jersey Supreme Court that gay couples > are > >> >> >> entitled > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> > the same rights as heterosexual couples. Bush said the > ruling > >> >> >> "raises > >> >> >> >> >> doubt > >> >> >> >> >> > about the institution of marriage." > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > "We believe that marriage is a union between a man and a > >> woman > >> >> and > >> >> >> >> should > >> >> >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> >> > defended," Bush shouted. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > This article appeared on page *A - 5* of the San Francisco > >> >> >> Chronicle > >> >> >> >> >> > © 2006 Hearst Communications Inc. > >> </chronicle/info/copyright/> > >> >> | > >> >> >> >> Privacy > >> >> >> >> >> > Policy </pages/privacy/> | Feedback </feedback/> | RSS > Feeds > >> >> >> </rss/> | > >> >> >> >> >> > FAQ</chronicle/faq.shtml>| Site > >> >> >> >> >> > Index </index/> | Contact </staff/> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL&type=printable > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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