This thread was started because you claimed that Bush threatened people's lives if they did not vote for him, and you posted 'proof' of same. You were the one who brought up people enlisting during this discussion. If I misunderstood what you meant by that, I apologize
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > you are twisting my words. Read what I just said. I know people that did > this and so do you. If you want an actual discussion, fine. Otherwise I can > just go argue with Sam or with the wall here. > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> And they did this because Bush said if the Democrats win so do the >> terrorists? Links? >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > there were a lot of people who enlisted because they thought it would >> help >> > keep their country safe, that it was threatened by Iraq and that >> defeating >> > Iraq would make the US safe. >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> It think its quite easy. we need to educate voters so they know when >> >> politicians are lying. >> >> >> >> Now, that may seem like a daunting task, but there is one sure fire >> >> way to know when a politician is lying: their lips are moving. >> >> >> >> Seriously, though, I am not talking about the normal political shit. I >> >> am talking about stuff like this specific issue, where it should be >> >> obvious to anyone with a high school education that it was hyperbole. >> >> >> >> There were lot of people who enlisted because Bush said if the >> >> Democrats get elected the terrorists win? Forgive me, but, links? >> >> >> >> And Michael, you are correct it would be a small voter base. But then >> >> again, maybe it should only count for people who could not see through >> >> my own hyperbole >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > maybe but there are a lot of them out there. It was probably the most >> >> > frequent response. Hard to argue you're a democracy when the criterion >> >> for >> >> > citizenship is cynicism and a selective memory. Some people really do >> >> > believe what the government tells them, Scott. Look at all the people >> who >> >> > enlisted. Should they lose their right to vote?? Maybe just maybe we >> >> should >> >> > figure out a way to weed the BSers out of the political process >> instead. >> >> If >> >> > you have suggestions on that I am all ears. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> What? >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you trying to say I should not believe that I was not one of the >> >> >> people whose lives were 'threatened' if I did not vote for Bush, or >> >> >> that I shouldn't believe that I didn't believe it? >> >> >> >> >> >> It was political posturing and pure, unadulterated bullshit. Anyone >> >> >> who cannot see through that should probably have their right to vote >> >> >> revoked. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ok well. As someone who was doing voter outreach in the 2004 >> election >> >> I >> >> >> can >> >> >> > assure you that lots of people read it that way. If you want to >> >> believe >> >> >> that >> >> >> > you weren't one of them, be my guest. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That is not what you said. You said people's lives were >> threatened >> >> if >> >> >> >> they did not vote for Bush. I do not take that statement as >> >> >> >> 'threatening my life'. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> See, I took it for what it was, a political speech, given by a >> >> >> >> politician. Which means, there is maybe, and this is stretching >> it, >> >> >> >> 5% truth and 95% hyperbole. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "the terrorists win"??? That doesn't sound scary and probably >> >> lethal >> >> >> >> > to you? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't see where it says I would die if I did not vote for >> Bush >> >> >> >> >> (which is what you claimed happened in the other thread). :D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders turn up >> the >> >> >> >> rhetoric >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> > advertisement | your ad here < >> http://www.sfgate.com/mediakit/ >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] </> Back to >> >> >> >> >> > >> Article</cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL> >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists GOP leaders turn up >> the >> >> >> >> rhetoric >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Michael Abramowitz, Washington Post >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > *(10-31) 04:00 PDT Sugar Land, Texas* -- President Bush said >> >> >> >> terrorists >> >> >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> >> > win if Democrats win and impose their policies on Iraq, as he >> >> and >> >> >> Vice >> >> >> >> >> > President Dick Cheney escalated their rhetoric Monday in an >> >> effort >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> turn >> >> >> >> >> > out Republican voters in next week's midterm elections. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Faced with potential GOP defeat in both the House and Senate, >> >> Bush >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney aimed to avert that by convincing voters they cannot >> risk >> >> >> >> giving >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> > opposition party any power in Washington. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes >> down >> >> to >> >> >> >> this: >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> > terrorists win and America loses," Bush told a raucous crowd >> of >> >> >> some >> >> >> >> >> 5,000 >> >> >> >> >> > GOP partisans packed in the arena at an earlier stop at >> Georgia >> >> >> >> Southern >> >> >> >> >> > University in Statesboro, Ga. "That's what's at stake in this >> >> >> >> election. >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> > Democrat goal is to get out of Iraq. The Republican goal is >> to >> >> win >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> Iraq." >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Democrats reacted sharply to the latest White House attacks. >> >> Senate >> >> >> >> >> Minority >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Bush "resorted to the same >> >> tired >> >> >> old >> >> >> >> >> > partisan attacks in a desperate attempt to hold onto power." >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> Minority >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco said Bush is looking to >> >> retain >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> > "rubber-stamp Republican Congress that has done nothing to >> >> change >> >> >> our >> >> >> >> >> failed >> >> >> >> >> > Iraq policy." >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney, meanwhile, said in an interview with Fox News that he >> >> >> believed >> >> >> >> >> > insurgents in Iraq are timing their attacks to influence the >> >> >> American >> >> >> >> >> > elections. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "It's my belief that they're very sensitive of the fact that >> >> we've >> >> >> got >> >> >> >> an >> >> >> >> >> > election scheduled," he said. Cheney said the insurgents >> believe >> >> >> "they >> >> >> >> >> can >> >> >> >> >> > break the will of the American people. ... That's what >> they're >> >> >> trying >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> > do." >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > The increasingly combative tone from the White House signaled >> a >> >> >> >> >> coordinated >> >> >> >> >> > GOP effort to use every channel to remind conservatives why >> they >> >> >> >> should >> >> >> >> >> turn >> >> >> >> >> > out to vote, despite what many say is their disenchantment >> with >> >> the >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> > Foley page scandal, anger over escalating federal spending >> and >> >> >> anxiety >> >> >> >> >> over >> >> >> >> >> > the course of the Iraq war. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > The president's travel schedule in the final week of the >> >> campaign >> >> >> is a >> >> >> >> >> stark >> >> >> >> >> > reminder of his political weakness in many parts of the >> country >> >> -- >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> > many swing districts -- where it is too dangerous for GOP >> >> >> candidates >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> > seen with Bush. After his rally in Georgia on Monday, Bush >> flew >> >> to >> >> >> >> Sugar >> >> >> >> >> > Land to stump for the GOP candidate trying to succeed former >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> Majority >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Tom DeLay, who won his seat by 14 points two years ago >> >> >> before >> >> >> >> >> > resigning his seat amid the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal. >> >> There >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> >> > sign of the man who once relished his Capitol Hill reputation >> as >> >> >> "The >> >> >> >> >> > Hammer" on Monday's visit. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "The fact that Republicans are working hard to hold onto one >> of >> >> the >> >> >> >> most >> >> >> >> >> > Republican districts in the country -- that tells you the >> depth >> >> of >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> > Republican struggles around the country," said Amy Walter, >> who >> >> >> tracks >> >> >> >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> > races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > White House aides disputed this characterization, saying the >> >> Sugar >> >> >> >> Land >> >> >> >> >> race >> >> >> >> >> > is a special case since DeLay resigned too late for the >> courts >> >> to >> >> >> >> allow >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> > GOP to replace him on the ballot. Instead, Republicans are >> >> >> promoting >> >> >> >> >> Shelley >> >> >> >> >> > Sekula Gibbs, a Houston city councilwoman and dermatologist, >> as >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> write-in >> >> >> >> >> > candidate. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > The crowd at Georgia Southern seemed to respond most >> >> >> enthusiastically >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> > Bush's most conservative lines, roaring after Bush criticized >> >> last >> >> >> >> week's >> >> >> >> >> > ruling from the New Jersey Supreme Court that gay couples are >> >> >> entitled >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> > the same rights as heterosexual couples. Bush said the ruling >> >> >> "raises >> >> >> >> >> doubt >> >> >> >> >> > about the institution of marriage." >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "We believe that marriage is a union between a man and a >> woman >> >> and >> >> >> >> should >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> > defended," Bush shouted. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > This article appeared on page *A - 5* of the San Francisco >> >> >> Chronicle >> >> >> >> >> > © 2006 Hearst Communications Inc. >> </chronicle/info/copyright/> >> >> | >> >> >> >> Privacy >> >> >> >> >> > Policy </pages/privacy/> | Feedback </feedback/> | RSS Feeds >> >> >> </rss/> | >> >> >> >> >> > FAQ</chronicle/faq.shtml>| Site >> >> >> >> >> > Index </index/> | Contact </staff/> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL&type=printable >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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