"I think its funny that the liberals on this list think I am conservative and the conservatives think I am liberal."
That would make you uhmmmm... A centrist..... like most of America -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:35 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: just for you scott On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > I said that a lot of people voted for Bush because they believed that he > would keep us safe in a time of war. You said that Cheney didn't say that > exactly. (But of course he never did say that exactly, check him out on > Iraqi involvement in 9/11). I then said a bunch of poor slobs believed his > shit and enlisted to keep the country safe. Actually, you said that Bush threatened people's lives if they did not vote for him - pretty glaring difference there. I never claimed to know or believe what Cheney did or did not say. I merely commented that I do not recall having my life threatened if I did not vote for Bush. > > I also said that you used to defend his lies. Nope. Not once, ever, did I defend any of his 'lies'. Please show me where I did. I think its funny that the liberals on this list think I am conservative and the conservatives think I am liberal. > > I don't know how you get where you are from there, but I don't have time to > play therapist. Believe whatever you choose. > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> WTF is that supposed to mean? >> >> I have a closed mind? You are the one claiming that Bush made >> threats against people's lives if they did not vote for him and refuse >> to see what he _actually_ said as anything but a threat. You were the >> one who claimed that people enlisted because Bush said if the >> democrats win, so do the terrorists. Don't believe it? Go back and >> look. >> >> I will gladly go on record as saying that anyone who honestly (and not >> fighting hyperbole with more hyperbole) thought Bush was personally >> threatening their lives by saying 'if the Democrats win, so do the >> terrorists' is a fucking moron. >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > No *I* apologize. I sometimes forget and try to argue with a closed mind. >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> This thread was started because you claimed that Bush threatened >> >> people's lives if they did not vote for him, and you posted 'proof' of >> >> same. You were the one who brought up people enlisting during this >> >> discussion. If I misunderstood what you meant by that, I apologize >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > you are twisting my words. Read what I just said. I know people that >> did >> >> > this and so do you. If you want an actual discussion, fine. Otherwise >> I >> >> can >> >> > just go argue with Sam or with the wall here. >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> And they did this because Bush said if the Democrats win so do the >> >> >> terrorists? Links? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > there were a lot of people who enlisted because they thought it >> would >> >> >> help >> >> >> > keep their country safe, that it was threatened by Iraq and that >> >> >> defeating >> >> >> > Iraq would make the US safe. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It think its quite easy. we need to educate voters so they know >> when >> >> >> >> politicians are lying. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Now, that may seem like a daunting task, but there is one sure >> fire >> >> >> >> way to know when a politician is lying: their lips are moving. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Seriously, though, I am not talking about the normal political >> shit. >> >> I >> >> >> >> am talking about stuff like this specific issue, where it should >> be >> >> >> >> obvious to anyone with a high school education that it was >> hyperbole. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There were lot of people who enlisted because Bush said if the >> >> >> >> Democrats get elected the terrorists win? Forgive me, but, links? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And Michael, you are correct it would be a small voter base. But >> then >> >> >> >> again, maybe it should only count for people who could not see >> >> through >> >> >> >> my own hyperbole >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > maybe but there are a lot of them out there. It was probably the >> >> most >> >> >> >> > frequent response. Hard to argue you're a democracy when the >> >> criterion >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> > citizenship is cynicism and a selective memory. Some people >> really >> >> do >> >> >> >> > believe what the government tells them, Scott. Look at all the >> >> people >> >> >> who >> >> >> >> > enlisted. Should they lose their right to vote?? Maybe just >> maybe >> >> we >> >> >> >> should >> >> >> >> > figure out a way to weed the BSers out of the political process >> >> >> instead. >> >> >> >> If >> >> >> >> > you have suggestions on that I am all ears. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you trying to say I should not believe that I was not one >> of >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> people whose lives were 'threatened' if I did not vote for >> Bush, >> >> or >> >> >> >> >> that I shouldn't believe that I didn't believe it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It was political posturing and pure, unadulterated bullshit. >> >> Anyone >> >> >> >> >> who cannot see through that should probably have their right to >> >> vote >> >> >> >> >> revoked. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Dana <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ok well. As someone who was doing voter outreach in the 2004 >> >> >> election >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> >> can >> >> >> >> >> > assure you that lots of people read it that way. If you want >> to >> >> >> >> believe >> >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> > you weren't one of them, be my guest. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Scott Stroz < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That is not what you said. You said people's lives were >> >> >> threatened >> >> >> >> if >> >> >> >> >> >> they did not vote for Bush. I do not take that statement as >> >> >> >> >> >> 'threatening my life'. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> See, I took it for what it was, a political speech, given by >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> politician. Which means, there is maybe, and this is >> >> stretching >> >> >> it, >> >> >> >> >> >> 5% truth and 95% hyperbole. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Dana < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "the terrorists win"??? That doesn't sound scary and >> probably >> >> >> >> lethal >> >> >> >> >> >> > to you? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Stroz < >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't see where it says I would die if I did not vote >> for >> >> >> Bush >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (which is what you claimed happened in the other thread). >> >> :D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Dana < >> >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP leaders >> turn >> >> up >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> rhetoric >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP >> >> leaders >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Article:Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists / GOP >> >> leaders >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > tu:/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > advertisement | your ad here < >> >> >> http://www.sfgate.com/mediakit/ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] </> Back to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Article</cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [image: SFGate] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush, Cheney tie Dem win to terrorists GOP leaders turn >> up >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> rhetoric >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > stoke voter base >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Michael Abramowitz, Washington Post >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > *(10-31) 04:00 PDT Sugar Land, Texas* -- President Bush >> >> said >> >> >> >> >> >> terrorists >> >> >> >> >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > win if Democrats win and impose their policies on Iraq, >> as >> >> he >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> Vice >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > President Dick Cheney escalated their rhetoric Monday >> in >> >> an >> >> >> >> effort >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> turn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > out Republican voters in next week's midterm elections. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Faced with potential GOP defeat in both the House and >> >> Senate, >> >> >> >> Bush >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney aimed to avert that by convincing voters they >> >> cannot >> >> >> risk >> >> >> >> >> >> giving >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > opposition party any power in Washington. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq >> comes >> >> >> down >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> this: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > terrorists win and America loses," Bush told a raucous >> >> crowd >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> some >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 5,000 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP partisans packed in the arena at an earlier stop at >> >> >> Georgia >> >> >> >> >> >> Southern >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > University in Statesboro, Ga. "That's what's at stake >> in >> >> this >> >> >> >> >> >> election. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Democrat goal is to get out of Iraq. The Republican >> goal >> >> is >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> win >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Iraq." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Democrats reacted sharply to the latest White House >> >> attacks. >> >> >> >> Senate >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Minority >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Bush "resorted to the >> >> same >> >> >> >> tired >> >> >> >> >> old >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > partisan attacks in a desperate attempt to hold onto >> >> power." >> >> >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Minority >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco said Bush is >> looking >> >> to >> >> >> >> retain >> >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "rubber-stamp Republican Congress that has done nothing >> to >> >> >> >> change >> >> >> >> >> our >> >> >> >> >> >> >> failed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Iraq policy." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Cheney, meanwhile, said in an interview with Fox News >> that >> >> he >> >> >> >> >> believed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > insurgents in Iraq are timing their attacks to >> influence >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> American >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > elections. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "It's my belief that they're very sensitive of the fact >> >> that >> >> >> >> we've >> >> >> >> >> got >> >> >> >> >> >> an >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > election scheduled," he said. Cheney said the >> insurgents >> >> >> believe >> >> >> >> >> "they >> >> >> >> >> >> >> can >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > break the will of the American people. ... That's what >> >> >> they're >> >> >> >> >> trying >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > do." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The increasingly combative tone from the White House >> >> signaled >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> coordinated >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP effort to use every channel to remind conservatives >> >> why >> >> >> they >> >> >> >> >> >> should >> >> >> >> >> >> >> turn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > out to vote, despite what many say is their >> disenchantment >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Foley page scandal, anger over escalating federal >> spending >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> anxiety >> >> >> >> >> >> >> over >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the course of the Iraq war. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The president's travel schedule in the final week of >> the >> >> >> >> campaign >> >> >> >> >> is a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> stark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > reminder of his political weakness in many parts of the >> >> >> country >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > many swing districts -- where it is too dangerous for >> GOP >> >> >> >> >> candidates >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > seen with Bush. After his rally in Georgia on Monday, >> Bush >> >> >> flew >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> Sugar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Land to stump for the GOP candidate trying to succeed >> >> former >> >> >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Majority >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leader Tom DeLay, who won his seat by 14 points two >> years >> >> ago >> >> >> >> >> before >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > resigning his seat amid the Jack Abramoff lobbying >> >> scandal. >> >> >> >> There >> >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > sign of the man who once relished his Capitol Hill >> >> reputation >> >> >> as >> >> >> >> >> "The >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hammer" on Monday's visit. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "The fact that Republicans are working hard to hold >> onto >> >> one >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> most >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Republican districts in the country -- that tells you >> the >> >> >> depth >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Republican struggles around the country," said Amy >> Walter, >> >> >> who >> >> >> >> >> tracks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> House >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > White House aides disputed this characterization, >> saying >> >> the >> >> >> >> Sugar >> >> >> >> >> >> Land >> >> >> >> >> >> >> race >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > is a special case since DeLay resigned too late for the >> >> >> courts >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> allow >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > GOP to replace him on the ballot. Instead, Republicans >> are >> >> >> >> >> promoting >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Shelley >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sekula Gibbs, a Houston city councilwoman and >> >> dermatologist, >> >> >> as >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> write-in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > candidate. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The crowd at Georgia Southern seemed to respond most >> >> >> >> >> enthusiastically >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bush's most conservative lines, roaring after Bush >> >> criticized >> >> >> >> last >> >> >> >> >> >> week's >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ruling from the New Jersey Supreme Court that gay >> couples >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> entitled >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the same rights as heterosexual couples. Bush said the >> >> ruling >> >> >> >> >> "raises >> >> >> >> >> >> >> doubt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > about the institution of marriage." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "We believe that marriage is a union between a man and >> a >> >> >> woman >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> should >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > defended," Bush shouted. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > This article appeared on page *A - 5* of the San >> Francisco >> >> >> >> >> Chronicle >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > © 2006 Hearst Communications Inc. >> >> >> </chronicle/info/copyright/> >> >> >> >> | >> >> >> >> >> >> Privacy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Policy </pages/privacy/> | Feedback </feedback/> | RSS >> >> Feeds >> >> >> >> >> </rss/> | >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > FAQ</chronicle/faq.shtml>| Site >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Index </index/> | Contact </staff/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/31/MNG1GM2U2M1.DTL&; type=printable >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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