You know you keep getting cut off Sam...look where the footer begins...

Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Health Care reform, questions and predictions


On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Eric Roberts
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> When you have people like Beck, Limbaugh, and the folks at Fox news
> constantly repeat the same tired drivel that has been proven to be an
> outright lie or a mistruth and the republican followers repeat the same
crap
> from Beck, Limbaugh, and Fox like a mantra, then yes...what is coming out
of
> most conservatives is biased spin and lies.  When I see the same crap that

I've asked a dozen times for Rush lies and always end up with 20 year
old rumors.
I don't watch Beck so can't speak of him. As for Fox I watch Bret and
usually zoom to the end to watch Krauthammer., I don't always agree
with him but I always listen with respect.

> is a blatant lie coming out of the mouth of the House Minority Leader and
> other republican congressmen, then yeah...what is coming out of most of
what
> conservatives are saying is biased spin and lies.

Aren't half the democrats under investigation for something or
another? Did one just claim he was promised a job from Obama not to
run for re-election? How about Dodd, Rangal, Franks, Murtha,
Blogavich, Obama's replacement and the guy with money in his freezer
just to name a few. How many Republicans are under investigation?


> Just because you believe in something doesn't mean it's true.  The
> difference I see between conservatives and liberals is that when presented
> with the facts, liberals will weigh it and adjust their opinions if

Not here. They call you names. Again no conservatives on this list
start the insults it's always the same few. I was called a shithead
and asshole in the same paragraph just yesterday because I didn't
appreciate the benefits of Obamacare


> necessary if the evidence does show to be fact, where as conservative will
> cling to their beliefs no matter what, despite the facts.  Most liberals

BS. I always back up my claims with info and only resort to name
calling after I've been insulted enough and realize I won't get any
other response.

> have no problem jumping on one of their own when they fuck up, where as
the

Never happens here because in their minds they never fuxk up.
.
> conservative will surround them and try and rationalize it away.  Compare
> John Edwards and John Ensign for instance.  Both had affairs.  John
Edwards
> is now out of the picture.  Not only did Ensign have an affair, but he
broke

His wife was six months pregnant, he was running for office and even
though all the media knew it only the Enquirer came out with it.
Nothing to do with conservatives. He was no longer a senator, couldn't
have won anyway, and would have lost against Obama either way. A
better example would be the republican that made a pass at a male page
vs the democrat that had sex with a younger male page?

> a whole slew of laws on top of his infidelity, yet he is still in Congress
> and several of his republican buddies came to his defense and tried to
> protect him, instead of being true to their claim of being champions of
> family values.

> Quoting a biased source, like the Spectator would be another example of
the
> bad debate skills mentioned before.  That's like quoting the Bible to
prove
> Christianity. Politifact is non-biased and I don’t even agree with what
they
> say sometimes as I feel they give conservatives a pass on a lot of things
> (ie they say it's a half truth rather than a blatant lie even though it is
a
> blatant lie).

Stop shooting the messenger while claiming your messenger is
righteous. Dispute the 



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