Comments in the text below... -----Original Message----- From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:47 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Health Care reform, questions and predictions
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > When you have people like Beck, Limbaugh, and the folks at Fox news > constantly repeat the same tired drivel that has been proven to be an > outright lie or a mistruth and the republican followers repeat the same crap > from Beck, Limbaugh, and Fox like a mantra, then yes...what is coming out of > most conservatives is biased spin and lies. When I see the same crap that I've asked a dozen times for Rush lies and always end up with 20 year old rumors. I don't watch Beck so can't speak of him. As for Fox I watch Bret and usually zoom to the end to watch Krauthammer., I don't always agree with him but I always listen with respect. ******************************************************* -People "can't go fishing anymore because of Obama." -There are "high administrative costs" when you donate to Haiti relief through the White House Web site. - A recent drop in the unemployment rate is questionable because it was calculated "over two days of the Thanksgiving week." - "President Obama . . . wants to mandate circumcision." - "You can't read a speech by George Washington . . . without hearing him reference God, the Almighty." - "If this (the health care reform bill) passes, and it's five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented -- I am leaving the country. I'll go to Costa Rica." - That was a British government claim, and Bush disowned it in a State of the Union speech. (referring to the Niger whitecake claim that was the basis for the claims made in the state of the union address that lead up to the Iraq War.) - The [9-11 Commission] report said that Mohamed Atta did meet with an Iraqi Intelligence Agency, or agent, in Prague on April 9th of 2001. We've known this for a long time. - "Nobody ever said there was" a connection between Iraq, 9-11 attacks - Limbaugh: AIDS "hasn't made that jump to the heterosexual community" - Limbaugh accused Kerry of refusing to release military records; they're posted on his website - Limbaugh claimed it "is not in dispute" that Kerry's boat "fled" before he returned to save his crewmate; official Naval records dispute this claim - Limbaugh claimed that Swift Boat Vets co-founder O'Neill "is a Democrat" - Limbaugh said Unfit co-author Corsi has been subject to "professional business-like assault" - Limbaugh claimed that Kerry wore "Fidel Castro garb" to 1971 TV appearance - "He [Clinton] claims that the president has withheld promised funding for No Child Left Behind. This is the old cuts in education business. ... There are no cuts in the No Child Left Behind Act [NCLB]. There are no cuts in education." But as Clinton stated, the problem facing the NCLB is funding, not cuts (as Limbaugh asserted). - [Senator] Tom Harkin's back. These -- these -- these wackos are back trying to get my program taken off of Armed Forces Radio... So you have the same people, the Tom Harkins of the world, and the liberal Democrats, claiming to care that the military around the world hear both sides of the issue on Armed Forces Radio, when they do. NPR [National Public Radio] is all over Armed Forces Radio. Half truths: - The health care bills will be "mandated spending. You can't cut it, regardless of the budget circumstances." - "That 3.5 percent (increase in the third quarter GDP) came from two things government spending on Cash for Clunkers they just moved fourth-quarter auto sales into the third quarter and the first-time home buyer thing." **************************************************************** > is a blatant lie coming out of the mouth of the House Minority Leader and > other republican congressmen, then yeah...what is coming out of most of what > conservatives are saying is biased spin and lies. Aren't half the democrats under investigation for something or another? Did one just claim he was promised a job from Obama not to run for re-election? How about Dodd, Rangal, Franks, Murtha, Blogavich, Obama's replacement and the guy with money in his freezer just to name a few. How many Republicans are under investigation? *************************************** John Ensign is currently under a federal investigation. I forget his name, but he is the the guy that tried to hide Ensign's activities...he was his roommate at the C Street house. Currently there are not as many, but if you look over history, there have been more republicans than democrats that have been under investigation. Tom Delay, Larry Craig, Gov. Talking a walk on the Appalachian Trail while spending tax dollars to bonk Brazilian mistress... Here's a list of all Congressmen under investigation: * 1 Senators o 1.1 Sen. Bob Menendez (D-New Jersey) o 1.2 Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) o 1.3 Sen. Roland Burris (D-Illinois) o 1.4 Note * 2 Representatives o 2.1 Rep. Charles Rangel (D-New York) o 2.2 Rep. John Doolittle (R-California) - Retiring o 2.3 Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Florida) o 2.4 Rep. Bob Filner (D-California) o 2.5 Rep. Jane Harman (D-California) o 2.6 Rep. William Jefferson (D-Louisiana) - Indicted o 2.7 Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-California) o 2.8 Rep. Gary Miller (R-California) o 2.9 Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-West Virginia) o 2.10 Rep. Tim Murphy (R-Pennsylvania) o 2.11 Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Arizona) - Indicted and Retiring o 2.12 Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska) * 3 Former members of Congress o 3.1 Former Rep. Bob Beauprez (R-Colorado) o 3.2 Former Rep. Randy Duke Cunningham (R-California) - Convicted o 3.3 Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) - Indicted o 3.4 Former Rep. Mark Foley (R-Florida) o 3.5 Former Rep. Jim Gibbons (R-Nevada) o 3.6 Former Rep. Katherine Harris (R-Florida) o 3.7 Former Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-Illinois) o 3.8 Former Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio) - Convicted o 3.9 Former Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pennsylvania) * 4 Former investigations regarding members of Congress o 4.1 Sen. Pete Domenici (R-New Mexico) - Retiring (from http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Category:Members_of_Congress_unde r_investigation) 7 Dems, 17 republicans...bit of a gap there... **************************************************************************** ** > Just because you believe in something doesn't mean it's true. The > difference I see between conservatives and liberals is that when presented > with the facts, liberals will weigh it and adjust their opinions if Not here. They call you names. Again no conservatives on this list start the insults it's always the same few. I was called a shithead and asshole in the same paragraph just yesterday because I didn't appreciate the benefits of Obamacare > necessary if the evidence does show to be fact, where as conservative will > cling to their beliefs no matter what, despite the facts. Most liberals BS. I always back up my claims with info and only resort to name calling after I've been insulted enough and realize I won't get any other response. **I have seen you try to back up your claims but you can't back something up that just isnt true. > have no problem jumping on one of their own when they fuck up, where as the Never happens here because in their minds they never fuxk up. **that was my point. . > conservative will surround them and try and rationalize it away. Compare > John Edwards and John Ensign for instance. Both had affairs. John Edwards > is now out of the picture. Not only did Ensign have an affair, but he broke His wife was six months pregnant, he was running for office and even though all the media knew it only the Enquirer came out with it. Nothing to do with conservatives. He was no longer a senator, couldn't have won anyway, and would have lost against Obama either way. A better example would be the republican that made a pass at a male page vs the democrat that had sex with a younger male page? **the point is that when a dem gets caught...we send in the wolves because we are not as tolerant of it, whereas the republican culture is one of hypocrisy where they say one thing and do another , like say they are 100% against homosexuality...author laws against it, then get caught with gay hookers. Or chairing the committee that is charged with coming up with laws to protect children and then get caught sending sexual messages to minors. And then when they are caught, their fellow republicans try everything they can to deflect the issue and cover it up. > a whole slew of laws on top of his infidelity, yet he is still in Congress > and several of his republican buddies came to his defense and tried to > protect him, instead of being true to their claim of being champions of > family values. > Quoting a biased source, like the Spectator would be another example of the > bad debate skills mentioned before. That's like quoting the Bible to prove > Christianity. Politifact is non-biased and I dont even agree with what they > say sometimes as I feel they give conservatives a pass on a lot of things > (ie they say it's a half truth rather than a blatant lie even though it is a > blatant lie). Stop shooting the messenger while claiming your messenger is righteous. Dispute the **Calling bullshit does not mean I am shooting the messenger...besides when the messenger is spewing lies and mistruths, it should get shot. 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