" the new law will go into effect 90 days after the legislature adjourns. "
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Brian Thornton <[email protected]>wrote: > The law doesn't even go into effect for 90 days... why are you flat out > lying? > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> There was already a truck driver that was arrested and detained. He is a >> natural-born US citizen. He stopped at a weigh station and was asked to >> see >> him immigration papers and when he said he was a US citizen, they arrested >> and detained him until his wife could drive (a considerable distance) with >> his birth certificate. That is a violation of the this man's civil rights >> and why this law is a POS law thinly disguising rascism. >> >> Eric >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 4:13 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Closing the border >> >> >> First off, the link to the bill presented here was not a link to the >> bill, but rather to its legislative summary. And hopefully we all know >> that a legislative summary does not necessarily have anything to do >> with the actual contents of the bill. Here is the final text of the >> Senate version of the bill: >> >> http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070 >> s.htm<http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070%0As.htm> >> >> Next, getting to your question about where in the bill it allows the >> demand of identification: >> >> Sec. 2. Title 11, chapter 7, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by >> adding article 8, to read: >> ... >> B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR >> AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL >> SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE >> PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A >> REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE >> IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS >> SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED >> STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c). >> >> And then further amends Sec. 4. Section 13-2319, Arizona Revised >> Statutes, is amended to read: >> >> E. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A PEACE OFFICER MAY LAWFULLY STOP >> ANY PERSON WHO IS OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE OFFICER HAS >> REASONABLE SUSPICION TO BELIEVE THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF ANY >> CIVIL TRAFFIC LAW AND THIS SECTION. >> >> So, any sort of lawful contact by any law enforcement official or any >> agency of any part of any section of the government in the state of >> Arizona can result in checking immigration status. That means a health >> inspector at a restaurant, that means a cop checking on a suspicious >> noise that someone heard, that means parking meter attendant who talks >> to you as they are writing up a parking ticket for your car. And a cop >> who pulls you over for anything at all, "you look like you were >> swerving to me" or "the light on your license plate isn't bright >> enough" can pull you over and check your immigration status. >> >> So yeah, the law does, indeed, say exactly what I said it said. And as >> for the rest of your questions, yes, I would say that their approach >> is quite hamfisted. >> >> Judah >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Judah, >> > >> > Where in the text of the bill does it allow the cops to pull over and >> demand >> > identification from anyone? Everyone keeps saying that, but I don't see >> it. >> > >> > But, regardless of whether that ability for police exists (I don't think >> the >> > bill allows that - nor SHOULD the bill allow that, demanding papers >> randomly >> > is NOT American), let us set that aside for the moment. We will come >> back >> to >> > it, I promise. >> > >> > How about the other provisions? >> > 1. no hiring >> > 2. no aiding illegal entry >> > 3. no transporting >> > 4. cities and churches no longer being able to create sanctuaries >> > 5. not releasing illegals from jail without checking. >> > 6. making being illegal a misdemeanor. >> > 7. making false documents illegal >> > 8. no causing traffic jams at day labor pickup spots. >> > >> > Are they also hamfisted for you? >> > >> > But, even before that, I would love to know how each person here would >> > answer these questions: >> > >> > 1. is it illegal to be "undocumented"? >> > 2. is it a crime? >> > 3. should it be a crime? >> > 4. is it wrong? >> > 5. should illegal immigrants be given a plaque? ignored? fined? >> deported? >> > jailed and then deported? >> > 6. should there be a border? >> > >> > my answers: >> > 1. yes >> > 2. yes >> > 3. yes >> > 4. no. and yes. do the crime, do the time. but it may still be right for >> > some people, even with the penalties. >> > 5. deport except in unique circumstances. >> > 6. yes >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Out of curiosity, which parts of the bill do you like? It seems like a >> >> rather hamfisted attempt at dealing with immigration issues. >> >> >> >> I mean, come on, empowering the cops to pull over and demand >> >> identification from anyone they might suspect is an illegal immigrant? >> >> How, exactly, does one reasonably decide that a person might be an >> >> illegal immigrant? Is it what they look like or wear? Some sort of >> >> furtive movement like they use as a pretext for drug searches? What >> >> makes you say, "that person is an illegal immigrant"? >> >> >> >> I'm genuinely curious. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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