"But this is anecdotal and I don't think you can hang the de-funding of schools exclusively on immigration vs say war spending."
School spending is a state level issue. War funding is a federal level issue. States do receive federal aid for schools. I bet you can guess where I stand on that issue though. Kudos for the home schooling. Although we don't do it, I am a big supporter. BTW, there is an easy fix for school funding. A way that public schools would have fewer students and more money to spend on students. It's called vouchers. If a state averages 10K per student and starts giving 5k vouchers, the state would be ahead 5k for every student who leaves. Fewer schools to build, smaller class sizes, etc., etc., etc. "all twelve million of them or whatever :D You know there's no budget for that." I know. There's a budget for extending jobless benefits ad nauseam , but no budget to remove illegal aliens whose presence has contributed mightily the number of citizens who do not have jobs. Go figure. "well ok if the standard is that we don't need to be better that a corrupt dictatorship, then sure." But, but, but, Mexico is our friend. It's not a corrupt dictatorship, is it? Seriously, it it is a corrupt dictatorship (which pretty much describes 90% of all Central American countries), then the US should be taking diplomatic action to help rectify the situation. I don't want the US to stoop to the level of Mexico in keeping immigrants out. I just want the immigrants who come to do it legally. We should not give special immigration privileges to Mexicans, especially since they give no leniency to any immigrants. "That medical screening was a joke ;P and there is actually a local non-profit clinic that seems pretty busy. It takes medicaid but according to the writeups most people pay cash and/or are subsidized by donations." I am all for the non-profit clinic, especially the part being subsidized by donations. However, how many illegals use it versus those who don't? How many towns don't have such a place? "Ok, and here again, yeah there are gangs amongst illegal immigrants, as we saw in Salinas, but there are other gangs too...." You see my point then. It is harder to concentrate on gangs and made up of citizens and other crimes when time has to be divided up to deal with all gangs and other crimes. BTW, In 2006, illegal aliens made up 17% of the prison population in our country, but only 3% of the population. It was estimated that over 50% of CA's inmate population was made up of illegal immigrants. These are Justice Dept figures. "Missed it. No information on the subject, pro or con." Here a list of some closings and emergency room closing. This is through 2007. There have been more closing since then and a significant number of closing before 1998. These are some of the hospitals that have closed down between 1998 and 2007 ======================================================================= Alta Hospital District Closed in 2001 Anaheim Memorial Medical Center West Closed in 2001 Bay Harbor Hospital Closed in 2000 Bellwood General Hospital Closed in 2003 Bloss Memorial District Hospital Closed in 1998 Brea Community Hospital Closed in 2005 Calexico Hospital Closed in 1998 Central Valley Orthopedic & Spine Institute Closed in 2004 Century City Doctors Hospital (Los Angeles) Closed in 2007 Chowchilla District Memorial Hospital Closed in 2002 Del Puerto Hospital Closed in 1998 Doctors Medical Center - Pinole Campus Closed in 2000 Dos Palos Memorial Hospital (Dos Palos) Closed in 2003 Elastar Community Hospital Closed in 2004 Friendly Hills Regional Medical Center Closed in 1998 Granada Hills Community Hospital Closed in 2003 Hoopa Community Hospital & Medical Center Closed in 2000 Indian Valley Hospital (Greenville) Closed in 2005 Kaiser Permanente El Cajon Medical Center Closed in 2000 Kaiser Permanente San Francisco Medical Center and Offices - French Campus Closed in 2000 Lakewood Regional Medical Center - Clark Avenue Closed in 1998 Lassen Community Hospital Inc Closed in 2003 Lindsay District Hospital Closed in 2000 Los Angeles County High Desert Hospital Closed in 2003 Los Medanos Community Healthcare District Closed in 1998 Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital (Los Angeles) Closed in 2007 Memorial Hospital at Exeter Closed in 2001 Mercy American River Hospital Closed in 2000 Mercy Westside Hospital Closed in 2003 Mission Bay Hospital Closed in 2000 Monrovia Community Hospital (Monrovia) Closed in 2005 North Hollywood Medical Center Closed in 1998 Northridge Hospital Medical Center - Sherman Way Campus Closed in 2004 Novato Community Hospital (NOVATO) Closed in 2001 Orange County Community Hospital - Buena Park Closed in 2003 Orthopaedic Hospital Closed in 2005 Pacific Coast Hospital Closed in 2000 Pacifica Hospital Closed in 1998 Riverside General Hospital University Medical Center Closed in 1998 Robert F. Kennedy Medical Center Closed in 2004 SHC Specialty Hospital Closed in 1998 Saint Louise Mental Health Center Closed in 1999 Saint Louise Regional Hospital (Gilroy) Closed in 1999 No Yes San Bernardino County Medical Center Closed in 1999 San Jose Medical Center Closed in 2004 San Luis Obispo General Hospital Closed in 2003 Santa Ana Hospital Medical Center Inc Closed in 2003 Santa Teresita Hospital Closed in 2004 Scripps Hospital - East County Closed in 2000 South Bay Medical Center Closed in 1998 South Valley Hospital Closed in 1999 St. Francis Medical Center - Santa Barbara Closed in 2003 St. Luke Medical Center Closed in 2002 The Heart Hospital, Inc. Closed in 2000 Thompson Memorial Medical Center Closed in 1998 Tuolumne General Medical Facility Closed in 2007 UCSF Medical Center at Mount Zion (San Francisco) Closed in 2000 Valley Childrens Hospital & Guidance Clinic Closed in 1998 Valley Community Hospital Closed in 1999 Washington Hospital - Culver City Closed in 1999 Westside Hospital Closed in 1998 These are hospitals that have closed their emergency rooms since 1998 and 2007 ======================================================================= Avenal District Hospital Eastern Plumas Hospital - Loyalton Medical Clinic (Loyalton) Enloe Medical Center - Cohasset Campus (Chico) Kaiser Foundation Hospital - Richmond Campus Kaiser Permanente Martinez Medical Offices (Martinez) Kindred Hospital - Ontario (Ontario) Loma Linda University Medical Center East Campus Hospital (Loma Linda) Mercy Medical Center Merced - Dominican Campus (Merced) Natividad Medical Center Promise Hospital of East Los Angeles - Suburban Medical Center Campus (Paramount) Promise Hospital of San Diego (San Diego) Sharp Cabrillo Skilled Nursing Center (San Diego) Sonora Regional Medical Center - Community Home Care (Sonora) West Valley Hospital and Health Center Sources: California Hospital Association, Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, OSHPD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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