Our constitution and laws are, at the most basic, meant to protect citizens of the 
United States.  Whether these protections apply
to foreign nationals is not part of our constitution - especially in times of war.  
During peaceful times, America and its freedoms
are for citizens and non-citizens.  In times of war, America has an obligation and a 
right to do whatever is necessary to protect
its citizens.  It's easy for other people to point the finger at America because we 
have so many freedoms but, I assure you, that if
it's a matter of lessening the freedoms of foreign nationals in order to protect 
America then that's what will happen.

Howie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jochem van Dieten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: If you don't


> Howie Hamlin wrote:
>  > America was attacked.  America is at war.  We are being attacked by
>  > foreign nationals who disguise themselves as students.  We have
>  > a right to take action to defend ourselves - any other country would.
>
> Sure. But I wonder whether this is the best way to do that. I find it
> highly dubious to distinguish between nationals and non-nationals before
> and during trial. (It is quite accepted to do so after somebody is
> convicted, think for instance minors who get sentenced to shorter
> imprisonment for the same crime.)
>
> The entire system of prosecution has been crafted to ensure adequate
> protection for the suspect from wrongfull treatment. Why would foreign
> suspects be treated differently from American suspects and all of a
> sudden no longer require this protection? Why would it be necessary to
> have the right to hold them indefinitely without a trial? Either you
> have something you can convict him or he is innocent.
> This legislation touches on the very fundamental issue that somebody is
> innocent until proven guilty in a fair trial.
>
> I think that improving efficiency in certain law enforcement agencies
> would be much better than this act.
>
> Jochem
>
> 
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