At 07:03 PM 6/10/02, you wrote: >Michael Dinowitz wrote: >> At 05:40 PM 6/10/02, you wrote: >> >>>[1] http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00ie0 >> >> Nope. It established a framework. >> "The framework agreement regarding the future of Judea, Samaria and Gaza was less >clear and was later interpreted differently by Israel, Egypt, and the US." > >Although one can debate details around the implementation, I fail to see >how one can deny that it calls for self-government. Framework is not a final, signed agreement. It's just something used to build upon to get to that agreement. The entire oslo process was trying to get to self government and succeeded in at least that (the palestinians are almost totally under a palestinian government).
>>>>You mean the ambulances that have been documented as being used to transport >fighters and bombs? Those ambulances? >>> >>>No, just the ones that were stopped without doing that. If they were >>>actually transporting fighters and bombs the drivers would not be free >>>to tell this story on TV an hour later, would they? >> >> Riiiiight. Here's a news article that just happened in Israel. You'll never see it >outside of Israel nor will the red cross ever admit to it (they are supposably >responsible for the red crescent) > >We see those articles too. But do you believe them? Does the red cross say anything about them? Does anyone? That's the point of all this. Israel has to do things to stop attacks and the world can go screw off if they don't like it. The EU is being sued now for giving money to Arafat that's been used for terror. They didn't care how the money was being spent even when they were told about it. If a government doesn't care and the media doesn't care, will the people? Not really. People for the most part are sheep. It takes multiple deaths for people to open their eyes that something is not right and then they go back to sleep. >> If an ambulance goes into a warzone and transports out fighters, what should be >done? What's been done time and again, stop them. > >Actually, doing something like that should be considered a crime against >the peace and security of mankind, and be dealt with accordingly. >Stop them, arrest them, trial them, hang them. > >But if the ambulance is empty, it should be allowed to pass, or Israel >should assume the responsibility of providing ambulances itself. During a battle you do not allow civilians into the war zone. During a battle you do not allow reporters into the war zone. The cry against Israel would have been much more if a ambulance was destroyed during the battle vs. just not letting it in. >> In many ways Israel did. There's a huge amount of palestinians who miss being under >Israeli rule and a large number who are still citizens. >.. >> The population are sheep to the terrorists, the incite-ful religious leaders and >the corrupt government. Those who complain are usually killed. >.. >> There are ballots all the time. Look at many middle eastern university sites and >news sites and you'll see the results. People want peace, people want war, people >want a lot of things. What they don't have is freedom from their own government to >have the freedom they want. > >So why do business with that government? What choice do the people have? >>>>Yes. The issue of freedom of worship. SOmething that exists under Israel but not >under Islam. >>> >>>I think it is quite pointless to compare a country to a religion. >> >> Oh? Ask any saudi about that and you'll see that they hold their country by their >religion. Basically, those who are in control refuse to allow Jews access to their >holy sites. Happens in Egypt, Israel and every other country who's government is >Muslim. > >You're right. I forgot Israel doesn't have a separation between religion >and state either :) In many ways they do. Can a Jew go to the tomb of Joseph to pray? No. Why? Because it was seized by the palestinians and destroyed. Can they go onto the temple mound? No. because the courts are afraid it'll cause the Muslims to riot. I think that's a big separation between religion and state. If there wasn't, then the temple mound would be open to all and other places that are 'off limits' would be open again. >>>Just curious: how does one take responsibility for a dead civilian? >> >> Apologies, restitution, not killing them in the first place, etc. > >That most certainly never makes it to the newspapers here. No? Guess it's just not newsworthy. >Jochem > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
