Honestly, Eric and Larry. What is it you guys don't seem to get about free speech?
It's not about protecting popular speech. It's about protecting dissent, the small voice. Often that will include things that we find offensive and hateful. We cannot allow mob rule or we've lost already. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:43 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > They aren't preventing anyone from getting married where it is legal. > There is no force involved, so no. > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> So in this case, isn't that just what Cathy did, funding groups >> outside the firm that impacted on the rights of others? >> >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I don't believe in zoning laws at all personally. >> > >> > I should be able to do whatever I want with my private property so long >> as >> > it doesn't leave my property and impact the rights of others outside of >> my >> > property. >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> In a lot of cases that is what has happened with such things as >> >> stripper clubs, abortion clinics, certain political party offices, and >> >> anything not necessarily mainstream or popular. If we condone one >> >> practice do we condone it all? Its one of those "wedge" issues so to >> >> speak. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Ah, I missed that. I went back and re-read the article. I really >> doubt >> >> > that the whole organization would change it's philosophy based on one >> >> > restaurant siting decision in Chicago, so I think this is just an >> >> > Alderman trying to make himself look bigger than he is. However, I >> >> > agree with you, it is wrong for a city official to be telling a >> >> > company to change a legal activity if they want to do business in >> your >> >> > town. Decisions on a business being allowed in a certain area should >> >> > be based entirely on zoning rules already in place. You should not >> >> > ever have a city official be able to say yes or no on the basis of "I >> >> > don't like you". >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for pointing that out, Tim. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > Judah >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:57 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> It wasn't the protests that got him to back down though. According >> to >> >> that >> >> >> article it was the government. >> >> >> On Sep 19, 2012 1:56 PM, "Judah McAuley" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Isn't that the point of boycotts and social pressure in general? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Extortion, to my mind, happens when you threaten to make something >> >> >>> illegal or unsavory public unless they give you money. In cases >> like >> >> >>> this and with boycotts and public pressure on companies like Apple >> and >> >> >>> Nike for conditions in overseas manufacturing, it isn't extortion >> >> >>> because the fundamental goal is to bring the information to light >> and >> >> >>> change the behavior rather than ask for money to let the behavior >> >> >>> continue and remain secret. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >> >> >>> Judah >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > I have to say...I am torn by this. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > While I appreciate the fact that CFA will no longer donate money >> to >> >> >>> > anti-gay groups, it kind of feels like...extortion - for lack of >> a >> >> >>> > better word. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:355398 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
