You are free to do what you wish and say what you wish...you are not free from the consequences of doing so. Freedom also brings responsibility. If you misuse that freedom and use it to try and limit the freedoms of others, there will be consequences. This is no different than being free to be a racist and facing the consequences of that as well. Hate is hate. Hate has consequences.
------------------------------------ Three Ravens Consulting Eric Roberts Owner/Developer [email protected] tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:46 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Chick-Fil-A backs down Honestly, Eric and Larry. What is it you guys don't seem to get about free speech? It's not about protecting popular speech. It's about protecting dissent, the small voice. Often that will include things that we find offensive and hateful. We cannot allow mob rule or we've lost already. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:43 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > They aren't preventing anyone from getting married where it is legal. > There is no force involved, so no. > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> So in this case, isn't that just what Cathy did, funding groups >> outside the firm that impacted on the rights of others? >> >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I don't believe in zoning laws at all personally. >> > >> > I should be able to do whatever I want with my private property so >> > long >> as >> > it doesn't leave my property and impact the rights of others >> > outside of >> my >> > property. >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Larry C. Lyons >> ><[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> In a lot of cases that is what has happened with such things as >> >> stripper clubs, abortion clinics, certain political party offices, >> >> and anything not necessarily mainstream or popular. If we condone >> >> one practice do we condone it all? Its one of those "wedge" issues >> >> so to speak. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Judah McAuley >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Ah, I missed that. I went back and re-read the article. I really >> doubt >> >> > that the whole organization would change it's philosophy based >> >> > on one restaurant siting decision in Chicago, so I think this is >> >> > just an Alderman trying to make himself look bigger than he is. >> >> > However, I agree with you, it is wrong for a city official to be >> >> > telling a company to change a legal activity if they want to do >> >> > business in >> your >> >> > town. Decisions on a business being allowed in a certain area >> >> > should be based entirely on zoning rules already in place. You >> >> > should not ever have a city official be able to say yes or no on >> >> > the basis of "I don't like you". >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for pointing that out, Tim. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > Judah >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:57 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> It wasn't the protests that got him to back down though. >> >> >> According >> to >> >> that >> >> >> article it was the government. >> >> >> On Sep 19, 2012 1:56 PM, "Judah McAuley" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Isn't that the point of boycotts and social pressure in general? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Extortion, to my mind, happens when you threaten to make >> >> >>> something illegal or unsavory public unless they give you >> >> >>> money. In cases >> like >> >> >>> this and with boycotts and public pressure on companies like >> >> >>> Apple >> and >> >> >>> Nike for conditions in overseas manufacturing, it isn't >> >> >>> extortion because the fundamental goal is to bring the >> >> >>> information to light >> and >> >> >>> change the behavior rather than ask for money to let the >> >> >>> behavior continue and remain secret. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >> >> >>> Judah >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Scott Stroz >> >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > I have to say...I am torn by this. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > While I appreciate the fact that CFA will no longer donate >> >> >>> > money >> to >> >> >>> > anti-gay groups, it kind of feels like...extortion - for >> >> >>> > lack of >> a >> >> >>> > better word. >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:355404 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
