I pledged federal lodge but moved before I had a chance to go for my degres. On Nov 19, 2012 7:52 AM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Have *YOU* been to a Freemason's meeting, Larry? > In what capacity? > > > > On 16 November 2012 22:14, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Have you ever been to a Lions or Freemason's meeting. Terminally boring. > > > > That said, I actually do have some respect for CAIR. They have been > > calling out against various fatwas. Their aim is to be another Jewish > > Anti-Defamation League, this time for Muslims. And before people start > > ranting about funding sources etc., you need to look at the funding > > sources that the ADL and JDL have had in the past. Its really a matter > > of he who is without sin cast the first stone (as he gets crushed > > under a load of thrown gravel)... > > > > The problem is that both sides are not working, a new approach is needed. > > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > In many Islamic countries being a mason is an executable offense. > > > > > > And they have no funds? Iran, Saudi, Syria, and many more (to include > > > Americans through groups like CAIR) send them millions and millions of > > > dollars that they spend on weapons instead of infrastructure. > > > On Nov 16, 2012 5:37 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> In 2010 according to the Jewish Databank > > >> ( > http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf > > ) > > >> in 2010 there were approximately 13,428,300 jews in the world. Of that > > >> 13 million, just under 6 million (5,608,900) are in Israel. The > > >> remaining, (7,739,600) are outside of Israel. There was a -.2% > > >> decrease since the last census of the Diaspora and 1.7% increase in > > >> Israel. Are you saying that if almost 45% of a population were > > >> eliminated that would not have an impact? When there is around1 jew > > >> per 1000 people of other ethnic/religious groups. I don't know where > > >> you took a course in population statistics, but I'd go for a > > >> refresher. > > >> > > >> Secondly what land was taken. During the 1948-1949 War of > > >> Independence, aside from a few incidences the Palestinians left > > >> voluntarily in response to Arab propaganda - look it up. Lets also not > > >> forget about such minor things like the Holocaust, the Universal > > >> Declaration of Human Rights and the Balfour Declaration. > > >> > > >> So you have no trouble justifying a gunman holding a child to protect > > >> himself. Very interesting. Or is that just a specialcircumstance. What > > >> about a Nazi SS officer using concentration camp prisoners to give him > > >> cover to kill more allied soldiers. Or someone robbing a bank and > > >> holding a kid as a hostage. What is the moral difference with these > > >> cases? You have no problem it would appear justifying the killing of > > >> Israeli civilians, but decry the killing of a Hamas gunman. > > >> > > >> As for no military. What the heck do you call these armed groups: > > >> Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Popular > > >> Resistance Committees (PRC), Democratic Front for the Liberation of > > >> Palestine (DFLP), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine > > >> (PFLP),Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command > > >> (PFLP-GC). > > >> > > >> Hamas has between 20,000, and 25,000 armed soldiers. PIJ, several > > >> thousand (numbers vary between 1 and 3,000 depending on whose > > >> propaganda you read), AAMB - about 3 to 8 thousand, PRC ~1000. I could > > >> go on, but you get the idea. Several of these groups also have > > >> significant ties to Hezbollah and Iran. So you could include their > > >> support if it came down to it. The point is that these groups are the > > >> army of the Gaza and West Bank. > > >> > > >> Moreover all this crud doesn't have to happen. While the current > > >> government of Israel is reluctant to negotiate, these Palestinian > > >> groups kill those who want to seriously negotiate with the Israelis. > > >> Remember the central tenant of this organization is the total > > >> destruction of Israel, > > >> > > >> > > > http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html > > >> . > > >> Mind you they also seem to be pissed off at the the Freemasons, Rotary > > >> Clubs, and the Lions Clubs - seriously its in their charter. Why they > > >> don't like a bunch of old guys who like to dress up in weird clothing > > >> is beyond me. > > >> > > >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Eric Roberts > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Not much left of Judaism? Seriously Larry? There are large and > > thriving > > >> > Jewish communities all over the world. NYC's Jewish population is > > second > > >> > only to Israel. There are 1.54 million Jews is the NYC Metro area > > alone. > > >> > Here's he breakdown by country... > > >> > > > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country > > >> > > > >> > So why does Israel have more importance than the people who's land > was > > >> taken > > >> > from them and who's land is continually encroached upon by Jewish > > >> settlers? > > >> > People will fight with whatever tools they have access to. > > Palestinians > > >> do > > >> > not have a military or a sugar daddy to buy them all the best > military > > >> > equipment and protect them against international law by vetoing > every > > >> > resolution against them regardless of merit. > > >> > > > >> > ------------------------------------ > > >> > Three Ravens Consulting > > >> > Eric Roberts > > >> > Owner/Developer > > >> > [email protected] > > >> > tel: 630-486-5255 > > >> > fax: 630-310-8531 > > >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > >> > ------------------------------------ > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:26 PM > > >> > To: cf-community > > >> > Subject: Re: Middle east > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Eric, > > >> > > > >> > I have to disagree with you here. Its a set of criminal gangs > against > > a > > >> > government. Hamas, PFLP and the other groups have no qualms about > > using > > >> > human shields against the IDF. They have no problem with trying to > > create > > >> > massive civilian casualties on their end (their suicide bombing > > campaign > > >> a > > >> > few years ago for example). They've been cited by the UN and various > > >> human > > >> > rights groups for using civilian buildings, such as schools etc., as > > >> > ammunition dumps, and using children as human shields. They've also > > been > > >> > cited for extortion and corruption - you want to start a business, > you > > >> pay > > >> > Hamas, not the government but the political/military organization a > > >> fairly > > >> > large chunk of change before hand. > > >> > > > >> > Moreover I have to agree with the Israeli philosophy to a large > > extent. > > >> > Israel is a small country at best, surrounded by nations and peoples > > who > > >> > would be quite thrilled to slaughter every last one of them, and > then > > >> salt > > >> > the land. If Israel goes under there is not much left of Judaism, > at > > >> least > > >> > not enough to start over. It simply boils down to this, the Israeli > > >> > philosophy is you want to hurt Israel, then expect to be dealt with > in > > >> kind > > >> > ten times over. The alternative is non-existence. > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts < > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> If that was anywhere in the same multiverse as the truth, then you > > >> >> would have a point. Firepower wise, this is David vs Goliath with > > >> >> this time, David is Palestinian. Palestinians also have a right to > > >> >> defend their land and their land was stolen from them. > > >> >> > > >> >> ------------------------------------ > > >> >> Three Ravens Consulting > > >> >> Eric Roberts > > >> >> Owner/Developer > > >> >> [email protected] > > >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 > > >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 > > >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > >> >> ------------------------------------ > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:39 PM > > >> >> To: cf-community > > >> >> Subject: Re: Middle east > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/how-dare-you-defend-yourself/ > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> . > > >> >> > > >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > So Israel and Hamas are shooting at each other again. Wash. > Rinse. > > >> >> Repeat. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > I'll use this as another occasion for me to float my annual plea > > >> >> > that the United States simply wash it's hands of the entire > area. I > > >> >> > read a report the other day that by the year 2018, the #1 oil > > >> >> > producing country in the world is going to be....the United > States. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > So if Israel or Iran or Lebanon or any of those places were to > get > > >> >> > blown to shit....so what. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > They want to kill each other so bad. They've wanted to for > decades. > > >> >> > They are always going to want to kill each other. So i say, let > > them > > >> >> > get it over with already! And to whomever is left standing: Do > you > > >> >> > want to buy some American oil? :) > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:358570 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
