We aren't at war with the forces of the legion. On Nov 16, 2012 9:36 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > But not recently. Can an organization reform itself? Or is it > eternally shackled to its past. If so then many other groups deserve > the same condemnation, like the American Legion. > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm not worried about the sources as much as the destination. > > > > Various CAIR officials have been convicted for supporting terror groups, > I > > think hamas specifically, going back a decade or more. > > On Nov 16, 2012 9:14 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Have you ever been to a Lions or Freemason's meeting. Terminally boring. > >> > >> That said, I actually do have some respect for CAIR. They have been > >> calling out against various fatwas. Their aim is to be another Jewish > >> Anti-Defamation League, this time for Muslims. And before people start > >> ranting about funding sources etc., you need to look at the funding > >> sources that the ADL and JDL have had in the past. Its really a matter > >> of he who is without sin cast the first stone (as he gets crushed > >> under a load of thrown gravel)... > >> > >> The problem is that both sides are not working, a new approach is > needed. > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > In many Islamic countries being a mason is an executable offense. > >> > > >> > And they have no funds? Iran, Saudi, Syria, and many more (to include > >> > Americans through groups like CAIR) send them millions and millions of > >> > dollars that they spend on weapons instead of infrastructure. > >> > On Nov 16, 2012 5:37 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> In 2010 according to the Jewish Databank > >> >> ( > http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf > > ) > >> >> in 2010 there were approximately 13,428,300 jews in the world. Of > that > >> >> 13 million, just under 6 million (5,608,900) are in Israel. The > >> >> remaining, (7,739,600) are outside of Israel. There was a -.2% > >> >> decrease since the last census of the Diaspora and 1.7% increase in > >> >> Israel. Are you saying that if almost 45% of a population were > >> >> eliminated that would not have an impact? When there is around1 jew > >> >> per 1000 people of other ethnic/religious groups. I don't know where > >> >> you took a course in population statistics, but I'd go for a > >> >> refresher. > >> >> > >> >> Secondly what land was taken. During the 1948-1949 War of > >> >> Independence, aside from a few incidences the Palestinians left > >> >> voluntarily in response to Arab propaganda - look it up. Lets also > not > >> >> forget about such minor things like the Holocaust, the Universal > >> >> Declaration of Human Rights and the Balfour Declaration. > >> >> > >> >> So you have no trouble justifying a gunman holding a child to protect > >> >> himself. Very interesting. Or is that just a specialcircumstance. > What > >> >> about a Nazi SS officer using concentration camp prisoners to give > him > >> >> cover to kill more allied soldiers. Or someone robbing a bank and > >> >> holding a kid as a hostage. What is the moral difference with these > >> >> cases? You have no problem it would appear justifying the killing of > >> >> Israeli civilians, but decry the killing of a Hamas gunman. > >> >> > >> >> As for no military. What the heck do you call these armed groups: > >> >> Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Popular > >> >> Resistance Committees (PRC), Democratic Front for the Liberation of > >> >> Palestine (DFLP), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine > >> >> (PFLP),Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General > Command > >> >> (PFLP-GC). > >> >> > >> >> Hamas has between 20,000, and 25,000 armed soldiers. PIJ, several > >> >> thousand (numbers vary between 1 and 3,000 depending on whose > >> >> propaganda you read), AAMB - about 3 to 8 thousand, PRC ~1000. I > could > >> >> go on, but you get the idea. Several of these groups also have > >> >> significant ties to Hezbollah and Iran. So you could include their > >> >> support if it came down to it. The point is that these groups are the > >> >> army of the Gaza and West Bank. > >> >> > >> >> Moreover all this crud doesn't have to happen. While the current > >> >> government of Israel is reluctant to negotiate, these Palestinian > >> >> groups kill those who want to seriously negotiate with the Israelis. > >> >> Remember the central tenant of this organization is the total > >> >> destruction of Israel, > >> >> > >> >> > > > http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html > >> >> . > >> >> Mind you they also seem to be pissed off at the the Freemasons, > Rotary > >> >> Clubs, and the Lions Clubs - seriously its in their charter. Why they > >> >> don't like a bunch of old guys who like to dress up in weird clothing > >> >> is beyond me. > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Eric Roberts > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Not much left of Judaism? Seriously Larry? There are large and > > thriving > >> >> > Jewish communities all over the world. NYC's Jewish population is > > second > >> >> > only to Israel. There are 1.54 million Jews is the NYC Metro area > > alone. > >> >> > Here's he breakdown by country... > >> >> > > >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country > >> >> > > >> >> > So why does Israel have more importance than the people who's land > > was > >> >> taken > >> >> > from them and who's land is continually encroached upon by Jewish > >> >> settlers? > >> >> > People will fight with whatever tools they have access to. > > Palestinians > >> >> do > >> >> > not have a military or a sugar daddy to buy them all the best > > military > >> >> > equipment and protect them against international law by vetoing > every > >> >> > resolution against them regardless of merit. > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------------ > >> >> > Three Ravens Consulting > >> >> > Eric Roberts > >> >> > Owner/Developer > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > tel: 630-486-5255 > >> >> > fax: 630-310-8531 > >> >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> >> > ------------------------------------ > >> >> > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:26 PM > >> >> > To: cf-community > >> >> > Subject: Re: Middle east > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Eric, > >> >> > > >> >> > I have to disagree with you here. Its a set of criminal gangs > > against a > >> >> > government. Hamas, PFLP and the other groups have no qualms about > > using > >> >> > human shields against the IDF. They have no problem with trying to > > create > >> >> > massive civilian casualties on their end (their suicide bombing > > campaign > >> >> a > >> >> > few years ago for example). They've been cited by the UN and > various > >> >> human > >> >> > rights groups for using civilian buildings, such as schools etc., > as > >> >> > ammunition dumps, and using children as human shields. They've also > > been > >> >> > cited for extortion and corruption - you want to start a business, > > you > >> >> pay > >> >> > Hamas, not the government but the political/military organization a > >> >> fairly > >> >> > large chunk of change before hand. > >> >> > > >> >> > Moreover I have to agree with the Israeli philosophy to a large > > extent. > >> >> > Israel is a small country at best, surrounded by nations and > peoples > > who > >> >> > would be quite thrilled to slaughter every last one of them, and > then > >> >> salt > >> >> > the land. If Israel goes under there is not much left of Judaism, > at > >> >> least > >> >> > not enough to start over. It simply boils down to this, the > Israeli > >> >> > philosophy is you want to hurt Israel, then expect to be dealt with > > in > >> >> kind > >> >> > ten times over. The alternative is non-existence. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts < > >> >> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If that was anywhere in the same multiverse as the truth, then you > >> >> >> would have a point. Firepower wise, this is David vs Goliath with > >> >> >> this time, David is Palestinian. Palestinians also have a right > to > >> >> >> defend their land and their land was stolen from them. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> >> Three Ravens Consulting > >> >> >> Eric Roberts > >> >> >> Owner/Developer > >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 > >> >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 > >> >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:39 PM > >> >> >> To: cf-community > >> >> >> Subject: Re: Middle east > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/how-dare-you-defend-yourself/ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> . > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > So Israel and Hamas are shooting at each other again. Wash. > Rinse. > >> >> >> Repeat. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I'll use this as another occasion for me to float my annual plea > >> >> >> > that the United States simply wash it's hands of the entire > area. > > I > >> >> >> > read a report the other day that by the year 2018, the #1 oil > >> >> >> > producing country in the world is going to be....the United > > States. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > So if Israel or Iran or Lebanon or any of those places were to > get > >> >> >> > blown to shit....so what. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > They want to kill each other so bad. They've wanted to for > > decades. > >> >> >> > They are always going to want to kill each other. So i say, let > > them > >> >> >> > get it over with already! And to whomever is left standing: Do > you > >> >> >> > want to buy some American oil? :) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:358467 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
