My grandfather and father were Masons. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: > > Have *YOU* been to a Freemason's meeting, Larry? > In what capacity? > > > > On 16 November 2012 22:14, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Have you ever been to a Lions or Freemason's meeting. Terminally boring. >> >> That said, I actually do have some respect for CAIR. They have been >> calling out against various fatwas. Their aim is to be another Jewish >> Anti-Defamation League, this time for Muslims. And before people start >> ranting about funding sources etc., you need to look at the funding >> sources that the ADL and JDL have had in the past. Its really a matter >> of he who is without sin cast the first stone (as he gets crushed >> under a load of thrown gravel)... >> >> The problem is that both sides are not working, a new approach is needed. >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > In many Islamic countries being a mason is an executable offense. >> > >> > And they have no funds? Iran, Saudi, Syria, and many more (to include >> > Americans through groups like CAIR) send them millions and millions of >> > dollars that they spend on weapons instead of infrastructure. >> > On Nov 16, 2012 5:37 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> In 2010 according to the Jewish Databank >> >> (http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf >> ) >> >> in 2010 there were approximately 13,428,300 jews in the world. Of that >> >> 13 million, just under 6 million (5,608,900) are in Israel. The >> >> remaining, (7,739,600) are outside of Israel. There was a -.2% >> >> decrease since the last census of the Diaspora and 1.7% increase in >> >> Israel. Are you saying that if almost 45% of a population were >> >> eliminated that would not have an impact? When there is around1 jew >> >> per 1000 people of other ethnic/religious groups. I don't know where >> >> you took a course in population statistics, but I'd go for a >> >> refresher. >> >> >> >> Secondly what land was taken. During the 1948-1949 War of >> >> Independence, aside from a few incidences the Palestinians left >> >> voluntarily in response to Arab propaganda - look it up. Lets also not >> >> forget about such minor things like the Holocaust, the Universal >> >> Declaration of Human Rights and the Balfour Declaration. >> >> >> >> So you have no trouble justifying a gunman holding a child to protect >> >> himself. Very interesting. Or is that just a specialcircumstance. What >> >> about a Nazi SS officer using concentration camp prisoners to give him >> >> cover to kill more allied soldiers. Or someone robbing a bank and >> >> holding a kid as a hostage. What is the moral difference with these >> >> cases? You have no problem it would appear justifying the killing of >> >> Israeli civilians, but decry the killing of a Hamas gunman. >> >> >> >> As for no military. What the heck do you call these armed groups: >> >> Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Popular >> >> Resistance Committees (PRC), Democratic Front for the Liberation of >> >> Palestine (DFLP), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine >> >> (PFLP),Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command >> >> (PFLP-GC). >> >> >> >> Hamas has between 20,000, and 25,000 armed soldiers. PIJ, several >> >> thousand (numbers vary between 1 and 3,000 depending on whose >> >> propaganda you read), AAMB - about 3 to 8 thousand, PRC ~1000. I could >> >> go on, but you get the idea. Several of these groups also have >> >> significant ties to Hezbollah and Iran. So you could include their >> >> support if it came down to it. The point is that these groups are the >> >> army of the Gaza and West Bank. >> >> >> >> Moreover all this crud doesn't have to happen. While the current >> >> government of Israel is reluctant to negotiate, these Palestinian >> >> groups kill those who want to seriously negotiate with the Israelis. >> >> Remember the central tenant of this organization is the total >> >> destruction of Israel, >> >> >> >> >> http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html >> >> . >> >> Mind you they also seem to be pissed off at the the Freemasons, Rotary >> >> Clubs, and the Lions Clubs - seriously its in their charter. Why they >> >> don't like a bunch of old guys who like to dress up in weird clothing >> >> is beyond me. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Eric Roberts >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Not much left of Judaism? Seriously Larry? There are large and >> thriving >> >> > Jewish communities all over the world. NYC's Jewish population is >> second >> >> > only to Israel. There are 1.54 million Jews is the NYC Metro area >> alone. >> >> > Here's he breakdown by country... >> >> > >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country >> >> > >> >> > So why does Israel have more importance than the people who's land was >> >> taken >> >> > from them and who's land is continually encroached upon by Jewish >> >> settlers? >> >> > People will fight with whatever tools they have access to. >> Palestinians >> >> do >> >> > not have a military or a sugar daddy to buy them all the best military >> >> > equipment and protect them against international law by vetoing every >> >> > resolution against them regardless of merit. >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> > Three Ravens Consulting >> >> > Eric Roberts >> >> > Owner/Developer >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > tel: 630-486-5255 >> >> > fax: 630-310-8531 >> >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:26 PM >> >> > To: cf-community >> >> > Subject: Re: Middle east >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Eric, >> >> > >> >> > I have to disagree with you here. Its a set of criminal gangs against >> a >> >> > government. Hamas, PFLP and the other groups have no qualms about >> using >> >> > human shields against the IDF. They have no problem with trying to >> create >> >> > massive civilian casualties on their end (their suicide bombing >> campaign >> >> a >> >> > few years ago for example). They've been cited by the UN and various >> >> human >> >> > rights groups for using civilian buildings, such as schools etc., as >> >> > ammunition dumps, and using children as human shields. They've also >> been >> >> > cited for extortion and corruption - you want to start a business, you >> >> pay >> >> > Hamas, not the government but the political/military organization a >> >> fairly >> >> > large chunk of change before hand. >> >> > >> >> > Moreover I have to agree with the Israeli philosophy to a large >> extent. >> >> > Israel is a small country at best, surrounded by nations and peoples >> who >> >> > would be quite thrilled to slaughter every last one of them, and then >> >> salt >> >> > the land. If Israel goes under there is not much left of Judaism, at >> >> least >> >> > not enough to start over. It simply boils down to this, the Israeli >> >> > philosophy is you want to hurt Israel, then expect to be dealt with in >> >> kind >> >> > ten times over. The alternative is non-existence. >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts < >> >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> If that was anywhere in the same multiverse as the truth, then you >> >> >> would have a point. Firepower wise, this is David vs Goliath with >> >> >> this time, David is Palestinian. Palestinians also have a right to >> >> >> defend their land and their land was stolen from them. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> Three Ravens Consulting >> >> >> Eric Roberts >> >> >> Owner/Developer >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 >> >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 >> >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:39 PM >> >> >> To: cf-community >> >> >> Subject: Re: Middle east >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/how-dare-you-defend-yourself/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So Israel and Hamas are shooting at each other again. Wash. Rinse. >> >> >> Repeat. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'll use this as another occasion for me to float my annual plea >> >> >> > that the United States simply wash it's hands of the entire area. I >> >> >> > read a report the other day that by the year 2018, the #1 oil >> >> >> > producing country in the world is going to be....the United States. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So if Israel or Iran or Lebanon or any of those places were to get >> >> >> > blown to shit....so what. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > They want to kill each other so bad. They've wanted to for decades. >> >> >> > They are always going to want to kill each other. So i say, let >> them >> >> >> > get it over with already! And to whomever is left standing: Do you >> >> >> > want to buy some American oil? :) >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
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