Night man. On Nov 16, 2012 9:42 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Like to continue the conversation but I'm too burned out. Have a good > night everyone. > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Tghe legion in the past (the 1930's and up to 1941) had significant > > links to the American Bund and the Nazis. If they can reform > > themselves then why not CAIR. It was not organization policy rather > > individual behavior. That said I can understand a bit, looking at it > > from their perspective. After all just look at the links with various > > social groups in the mid-atlantic and the IRA. For years the biggest > > funder of Irish terrorism was the US. > > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> We aren't at war with the forces of the legion. > >> On Nov 16, 2012 9:36 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> But not recently. Can an organization reform itself? Or is it > >>> eternally shackled to its past. If so then many other groups deserve > >>> the same condemnation, like the American Legion. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > I'm not worried about the sources as much as the destination. > >>> > > >>> > Various CAIR officials have been convicted for supporting terror > groups, > >>> I > >>> > think hamas specifically, going back a decade or more. > >>> > On Nov 16, 2012 9:14 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Have you ever been to a Lions or Freemason's meeting. Terminally > boring. > >>> >> > >>> >> That said, I actually do have some respect for CAIR. They have been > >>> >> calling out against various fatwas. Their aim is to be another > Jewish > >>> >> Anti-Defamation League, this time for Muslims. And before people > start > >>> >> ranting about funding sources etc., you need to look at the funding > >>> >> sources that the ADL and JDL have had in the past. Its really a > matter > >>> >> of he who is without sin cast the first stone (as he gets crushed > >>> >> under a load of thrown gravel)... > >>> >> > >>> >> The problem is that both sides are not working, a new approach is > >>> needed. > >>> >> > >>> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> >> > > >>> >> > In many Islamic countries being a mason is an executable offense. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > And they have no funds? Iran, Saudi, Syria, and many more (to > include > >>> >> > Americans through groups like CAIR) send them millions and > millions of > >>> >> > dollars that they spend on weapons instead of infrastructure. > >>> >> > On Nov 16, 2012 5:37 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> In 2010 according to the Jewish Databank > >>> >> >> ( > >>> http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf > >>> > ) > >>> >> >> in 2010 there were approximately 13,428,300 jews in the world. Of > >>> that > >>> >> >> 13 million, just under 6 million (5,608,900) are in Israel. The > >>> >> >> remaining, (7,739,600) are outside of Israel. There was a -.2% > >>> >> >> decrease since the last census of the Diaspora and 1.7% increase > in > >>> >> >> Israel. Are you saying that if almost 45% of a population were > >>> >> >> eliminated that would not have an impact? When there is around1 > jew > >>> >> >> per 1000 people of other ethnic/religious groups. I don't know > where > >>> >> >> you took a course in population statistics, but I'd go for a > >>> >> >> refresher. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Secondly what land was taken. During the 1948-1949 War of > >>> >> >> Independence, aside from a few incidences the Palestinians left > >>> >> >> voluntarily in response to Arab propaganda - look it up. Lets > also > >>> not > >>> >> >> forget about such minor things like the Holocaust, the Universal > >>> >> >> Declaration of Human Rights and the Balfour Declaration. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> So you have no trouble justifying a gunman holding a child to > protect > >>> >> >> himself. Very interesting. Or is that just a specialcircumstance. > >>> What > >>> >> >> about a Nazi SS officer using concentration camp prisoners to > give > >>> him > >>> >> >> cover to kill more allied soldiers. Or someone robbing a bank and > >>> >> >> holding a kid as a hostage. What is the moral difference with > these > >>> >> >> cases? You have no problem it would appear justifying the > killing of > >>> >> >> Israeli civilians, but decry the killing of a Hamas gunman. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> As for no military. What the heck do you call these armed groups: > >>> >> >> Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Popular > >>> >> >> Resistance Committees (PRC), Democratic Front for the Liberation > of > >>> >> >> Palestine (DFLP), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine > >>> >> >> (PFLP),Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General > >>> Command > >>> >> >> (PFLP-GC). > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Hamas has between 20,000, and 25,000 armed soldiers. PIJ, several > >>> >> >> thousand (numbers vary between 1 and 3,000 depending on whose > >>> >> >> propaganda you read), AAMB - about 3 to 8 thousand, PRC ~1000. I > >>> could > >>> >> >> go on, but you get the idea. Several of these groups also have > >>> >> >> significant ties to Hezbollah and Iran. So you could include > their > >>> >> >> support if it came down to it. The point is that these groups > are the > >>> >> >> army of the Gaza and West Bank. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Moreover all this crud doesn't have to happen. While the current > >>> >> >> government of Israel is reluctant to negotiate, these Palestinian > >>> >> >> groups kill those who want to seriously negotiate with the > Israelis. > >>> >> >> Remember the central tenant of this organization is the total > >>> >> >> destruction of Israel, > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> > > >>> > http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html > >>> >> >> . > >>> >> >> Mind you they also seem to be pissed off at the the Freemasons, > >>> Rotary > >>> >> >> Clubs, and the Lions Clubs - seriously its in their charter. Why > they > >>> >> >> don't like a bunch of old guys who like to dress up in weird > clothing > >>> >> >> is beyond me. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Eric Roberts > >>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Not much left of Judaism? Seriously Larry? There are large > and > >>> > thriving > >>> >> >> > Jewish communities all over the world. NYC's Jewish > population is > >>> > second > >>> >> >> > only to Israel. There are 1.54 million Jews is the NYC Metro > area > >>> > alone. > >>> >> >> > Here's he breakdown by country... > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > So why does Israel have more importance than the people who's > land > >>> > was > >>> >> >> taken > >>> >> >> > from them and who's land is continually encroached upon by > Jewish > >>> >> >> settlers? > >>> >> >> > People will fight with whatever tools they have access to. > >>> > Palestinians > >>> >> >> do > >>> >> >> > not have a military or a sugar daddy to buy them all the best > >>> > military > >>> >> >> > equipment and protect them against international law by vetoing > >>> every > >>> >> >> > resolution against them regardless of merit. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > ------------------------------------ > >>> >> >> > Three Ravens Consulting > >>> >> >> > Eric Roberts > >>> >> >> > Owner/Developer > >>> >> >> > [email protected] > >>> >> >> > tel: 630-486-5255 > >>> >> >> > fax: 630-310-8531 > >>> >> >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >>> >> >> > ------------------------------------ > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >>> >> >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:26 PM > >>> >> >> > To: cf-community > >>> >> >> > Subject: Re: Middle east > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Eric, > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > I have to disagree with you here. Its a set of criminal gangs > >>> > against a > >>> >> >> > government. Hamas, PFLP and the other groups have no qualms > about > >>> > using > >>> >> >> > human shields against the IDF. They have no problem with > trying to > >>> > create > >>> >> >> > massive civilian casualties on their end (their suicide bombing > >>> > campaign > >>> >> >> a > >>> >> >> > few years ago for example). They've been cited by the UN and > >>> various > >>> >> >> human > >>> >> >> > rights groups for using civilian buildings, such as schools > etc., > >>> as > >>> >> >> > ammunition dumps, and using children as human shields. They've > also > >>> > been > >>> >> >> > cited for extortion and corruption - you want to start a > business, > >>> > you > >>> >> >> pay > >>> >> >> > Hamas, not the government but the political/military > organization a > >>> >> >> fairly > >>> >> >> > large chunk of change before hand. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Moreover I have to agree with the Israeli philosophy to a large > >>> > extent. > >>> >> >> > Israel is a small country at best, surrounded by nations and > >>> peoples > >>> > who > >>> >> >> > would be quite thrilled to slaughter every last one of them, > and > >>> then > >>> >> >> salt > >>> >> >> > the land. If Israel goes under there is not much left of > Judaism, > >>> at > >>> >> >> least > >>> >> >> > not enough to start over. It simply boils down to this, the > >>> Israeli > >>> >> >> > philosophy is you want to hurt Israel, then expect to be dealt > with > >>> > in > >>> >> >> kind > >>> >> >> > ten times over. The alternative is non-existence. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>> >> >> > [email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> If that was anywhere in the same multiverse as the truth, > then you > >>> >> >> >> would have a point. Firepower wise, this is David vs Goliath > with > >>> >> >> >> this time, David is Palestinian. Palestinians also have a > right > >>> to > >>> >> >> >> defend their land and their land was stolen from them. > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ > >>> >> >> >> Three Ravens Consulting > >>> >> >> >> Eric Roberts > >>> >> >> >> Owner/Developer > >>> >> >> >> [email protected] > >>> >> >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 > >>> >> >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 > >>> >> >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ > >>> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >>> >> >> >> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> >> >> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:39 PM > >>> >> >> >> To: cf-community > >>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Middle east > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/how-dare-you-defend-yourself/ > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> . > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > So Israel and Hamas are shooting at each other again. Wash. > >>> Rinse. > >>> >> >> >> Repeat. > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > I'll use this as another occasion for me to float my annual > plea > >>> >> >> >> > that the United States simply wash it's hands of the entire > >>> area. > >>> > I > >>> >> >> >> > read a report the other day that by the year 2018, the #1 > oil > >>> >> >> >> > producing country in the world is going to be....the United > >>> > States. > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > So if Israel or Iran or Lebanon or any of those places were > to > >>> get > >>> >> >> >> > blown to shit....so what. > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > They want to kill each other so bad. They've wanted to for > >>> > decades. > >>> >> >> >> > They are always going to want to kill each other. So i say, > let > >>> > them > >>> >> >> >> > get it over with already! And to whomever is left standing: > Do > >>> you > >>> >> >> >> > want to buy some American oil? :) > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:358475 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
