Like to continue the conversation but I'm too burned out. Have a good night everyone.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > Tghe legion in the past (the 1930's and up to 1941) had significant > links to the American Bund and the Nazis. If they can reform > themselves then why not CAIR. It was not organization policy rather > individual behavior. That said I can understand a bit, looking at it > from their perspective. After all just look at the links with various > social groups in the mid-atlantic and the IRA. For years the biggest > funder of Irish terrorism was the US. > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> We aren't at war with the forces of the legion. >> On Nov 16, 2012 9:36 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> But not recently. Can an organization reform itself? Or is it >>> eternally shackled to its past. If so then many other groups deserve >>> the same condemnation, like the American Legion. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > I'm not worried about the sources as much as the destination. >>> > >>> > Various CAIR officials have been convicted for supporting terror groups, >>> I >>> > think hamas specifically, going back a decade or more. >>> > On Nov 16, 2012 9:14 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Have you ever been to a Lions or Freemason's meeting. Terminally boring. >>> >> >>> >> That said, I actually do have some respect for CAIR. They have been >>> >> calling out against various fatwas. Their aim is to be another Jewish >>> >> Anti-Defamation League, this time for Muslims. And before people start >>> >> ranting about funding sources etc., you need to look at the funding >>> >> sources that the ADL and JDL have had in the past. Its really a matter >>> >> of he who is without sin cast the first stone (as he gets crushed >>> >> under a load of thrown gravel)... >>> >> >>> >> The problem is that both sides are not working, a new approach is >>> needed. >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > In many Islamic countries being a mason is an executable offense. >>> >> > >>> >> > And they have no funds? Iran, Saudi, Syria, and many more (to include >>> >> > Americans through groups like CAIR) send them millions and millions of >>> >> > dollars that they spend on weapons instead of infrastructure. >>> >> > On Nov 16, 2012 5:37 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> In 2010 according to the Jewish Databank >>> >> >> ( >>> http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf >>> > ) >>> >> >> in 2010 there were approximately 13,428,300 jews in the world. Of >>> that >>> >> >> 13 million, just under 6 million (5,608,900) are in Israel. The >>> >> >> remaining, (7,739,600) are outside of Israel. There was a -.2% >>> >> >> decrease since the last census of the Diaspora and 1.7% increase in >>> >> >> Israel. Are you saying that if almost 45% of a population were >>> >> >> eliminated that would not have an impact? When there is around1 jew >>> >> >> per 1000 people of other ethnic/religious groups. I don't know where >>> >> >> you took a course in population statistics, but I'd go for a >>> >> >> refresher. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Secondly what land was taken. During the 1948-1949 War of >>> >> >> Independence, aside from a few incidences the Palestinians left >>> >> >> voluntarily in response to Arab propaganda - look it up. Lets also >>> not >>> >> >> forget about such minor things like the Holocaust, the Universal >>> >> >> Declaration of Human Rights and the Balfour Declaration. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> So you have no trouble justifying a gunman holding a child to protect >>> >> >> himself. Very interesting. Or is that just a specialcircumstance. >>> What >>> >> >> about a Nazi SS officer using concentration camp prisoners to give >>> him >>> >> >> cover to kill more allied soldiers. Or someone robbing a bank and >>> >> >> holding a kid as a hostage. What is the moral difference with these >>> >> >> cases? You have no problem it would appear justifying the killing of >>> >> >> Israeli civilians, but decry the killing of a Hamas gunman. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> As for no military. What the heck do you call these armed groups: >>> >> >> Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Popular >>> >> >> Resistance Committees (PRC), Democratic Front for the Liberation of >>> >> >> Palestine (DFLP), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine >>> >> >> (PFLP),Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General >>> Command >>> >> >> (PFLP-GC). >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Hamas has between 20,000, and 25,000 armed soldiers. PIJ, several >>> >> >> thousand (numbers vary between 1 and 3,000 depending on whose >>> >> >> propaganda you read), AAMB - about 3 to 8 thousand, PRC ~1000. I >>> could >>> >> >> go on, but you get the idea. Several of these groups also have >>> >> >> significant ties to Hezbollah and Iran. So you could include their >>> >> >> support if it came down to it. The point is that these groups are the >>> >> >> army of the Gaza and West Bank. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Moreover all this crud doesn't have to happen. While the current >>> >> >> government of Israel is reluctant to negotiate, these Palestinian >>> >> >> groups kill those who want to seriously negotiate with the Israelis. >>> >> >> Remember the central tenant of this organization is the total >>> >> >> destruction of Israel, >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >>> http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html >>> >> >> . >>> >> >> Mind you they also seem to be pissed off at the the Freemasons, >>> Rotary >>> >> >> Clubs, and the Lions Clubs - seriously its in their charter. Why they >>> >> >> don't like a bunch of old guys who like to dress up in weird clothing >>> >> >> is beyond me. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Eric Roberts >>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Not much left of Judaism? Seriously Larry? There are large and >>> > thriving >>> >> >> > Jewish communities all over the world. NYC's Jewish population is >>> > second >>> >> >> > only to Israel. There are 1.54 million Jews is the NYC Metro area >>> > alone. >>> >> >> > Here's he breakdown by country... >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > So why does Israel have more importance than the people who's land >>> > was >>> >> >> taken >>> >> >> > from them and who's land is continually encroached upon by Jewish >>> >> >> settlers? >>> >> >> > People will fight with whatever tools they have access to. >>> > Palestinians >>> >> >> do >>> >> >> > not have a military or a sugar daddy to buy them all the best >>> > military >>> >> >> > equipment and protect them against international law by vetoing >>> every >>> >> >> > resolution against them regardless of merit. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > ------------------------------------ >>> >> >> > Three Ravens Consulting >>> >> >> > Eric Roberts >>> >> >> > Owner/Developer >>> >> >> > [email protected] >>> >> >> > tel: 630-486-5255 >>> >> >> > fax: 630-310-8531 >>> >> >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >>> >> >> > ------------------------------------ >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >> >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:26 PM >>> >> >> > To: cf-community >>> >> >> > Subject: Re: Middle east >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Eric, >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > I have to disagree with you here. Its a set of criminal gangs >>> > against a >>> >> >> > government. Hamas, PFLP and the other groups have no qualms about >>> > using >>> >> >> > human shields against the IDF. They have no problem with trying to >>> > create >>> >> >> > massive civilian casualties on their end (their suicide bombing >>> > campaign >>> >> >> a >>> >> >> > few years ago for example). They've been cited by the UN and >>> various >>> >> >> human >>> >> >> > rights groups for using civilian buildings, such as schools etc., >>> as >>> >> >> > ammunition dumps, and using children as human shields. They've also >>> > been >>> >> >> > cited for extortion and corruption - you want to start a business, >>> > you >>> >> >> pay >>> >> >> > Hamas, not the government but the political/military organization a >>> >> >> fairly >>> >> >> > large chunk of change before hand. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Moreover I have to agree with the Israeli philosophy to a large >>> > extent. >>> >> >> > Israel is a small country at best, surrounded by nations and >>> peoples >>> > who >>> >> >> > would be quite thrilled to slaughter every last one of them, and >>> then >>> >> >> salt >>> >> >> > the land. If Israel goes under there is not much left of Judaism, >>> at >>> >> >> least >>> >> >> > not enough to start over. It simply boils down to this, the >>> Israeli >>> >> >> > philosophy is you want to hurt Israel, then expect to be dealt with >>> > in >>> >> >> kind >>> >> >> > ten times over. The alternative is non-existence. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts < >>> >> >> > [email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> If that was anywhere in the same multiverse as the truth, then you >>> >> >> >> would have a point. Firepower wise, this is David vs Goliath with >>> >> >> >> this time, David is Palestinian. Palestinians also have a right >>> to >>> >> >> >> defend their land and their land was stolen from them. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >>> >> >> >> Three Ravens Consulting >>> >> >> >> Eric Roberts >>> >> >> >> Owner/Developer >>> >> >> >> [email protected] >>> >> >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 >>> >> >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 >>> >> >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >>> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> >> >> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] >>> >> >> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:39 PM >>> >> >> >> To: cf-community >>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Middle east >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/how-dare-you-defend-yourself/ >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> . >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > So Israel and Hamas are shooting at each other again. Wash. >>> Rinse. >>> >> >> >> Repeat. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > I'll use this as another occasion for me to float my annual plea >>> >> >> >> > that the United States simply wash it's hands of the entire >>> area. >>> > I >>> >> >> >> > read a report the other day that by the year 2018, the #1 oil >>> >> >> >> > producing country in the world is going to be....the United >>> > States. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > So if Israel or Iran or Lebanon or any of those places were to >>> get >>> >> >> >> > blown to shit....so what. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > They want to kill each other so bad. They've wanted to for >>> > decades. >>> >> >> >> > They are always going to want to kill each other. So i say, let >>> > them >>> >> >> >> > get it over with already! And to whomever is left standing: Do >>> you >>> >> >> >> > want to buy some American oil? :) >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:358471 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
