Have you ever been to a Lions or Freemason's meeting. Terminally boring. That said, I actually do have some respect for CAIR. They have been calling out against various fatwas. Their aim is to be another Jewish Anti-Defamation League, this time for Muslims. And before people start ranting about funding sources etc., you need to look at the funding sources that the ADL and JDL have had in the past. Its really a matter of he who is without sin cast the first stone (as he gets crushed under a load of thrown gravel)...
The problem is that both sides are not working, a new approach is needed. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > In many Islamic countries being a mason is an executable offense. > > And they have no funds? Iran, Saudi, Syria, and many more (to include > Americans through groups like CAIR) send them millions and millions of > dollars that they spend on weapons instead of infrastructure. > On Nov 16, 2012 5:37 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> In 2010 according to the Jewish Databank >> (http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf) >> in 2010 there were approximately 13,428,300 jews in the world. Of that >> 13 million, just under 6 million (5,608,900) are in Israel. The >> remaining, (7,739,600) are outside of Israel. There was a -.2% >> decrease since the last census of the Diaspora and 1.7% increase in >> Israel. Are you saying that if almost 45% of a population were >> eliminated that would not have an impact? When there is around1 jew >> per 1000 people of other ethnic/religious groups. I don't know where >> you took a course in population statistics, but I'd go for a >> refresher. >> >> Secondly what land was taken. During the 1948-1949 War of >> Independence, aside from a few incidences the Palestinians left >> voluntarily in response to Arab propaganda - look it up. Lets also not >> forget about such minor things like the Holocaust, the Universal >> Declaration of Human Rights and the Balfour Declaration. >> >> So you have no trouble justifying a gunman holding a child to protect >> himself. Very interesting. Or is that just a specialcircumstance. What >> about a Nazi SS officer using concentration camp prisoners to give him >> cover to kill more allied soldiers. Or someone robbing a bank and >> holding a kid as a hostage. What is the moral difference with these >> cases? You have no problem it would appear justifying the killing of >> Israeli civilians, but decry the killing of a Hamas gunman. >> >> As for no military. What the heck do you call these armed groups: >> Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Popular >> Resistance Committees (PRC), Democratic Front for the Liberation of >> Palestine (DFLP), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine >> (PFLP),Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command >> (PFLP-GC). >> >> Hamas has between 20,000, and 25,000 armed soldiers. PIJ, several >> thousand (numbers vary between 1 and 3,000 depending on whose >> propaganda you read), AAMB - about 3 to 8 thousand, PRC ~1000. I could >> go on, but you get the idea. Several of these groups also have >> significant ties to Hezbollah and Iran. So you could include their >> support if it came down to it. The point is that these groups are the >> army of the Gaza and West Bank. >> >> Moreover all this crud doesn't have to happen. While the current >> government of Israel is reluctant to negotiate, these Palestinian >> groups kill those who want to seriously negotiate with the Israelis. >> Remember the central tenant of this organization is the total >> destruction of Israel, >> >> http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html >> . >> Mind you they also seem to be pissed off at the the Freemasons, Rotary >> Clubs, and the Lions Clubs - seriously its in their charter. Why they >> don't like a bunch of old guys who like to dress up in weird clothing >> is beyond me. >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Not much left of Judaism? Seriously Larry? There are large and thriving >> > Jewish communities all over the world. NYC's Jewish population is second >> > only to Israel. There are 1.54 million Jews is the NYC Metro area alone. >> > Here's he breakdown by country... >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country >> > >> > So why does Israel have more importance than the people who's land was >> taken >> > from them and who's land is continually encroached upon by Jewish >> settlers? >> > People will fight with whatever tools they have access to. Palestinians >> do >> > not have a military or a sugar daddy to buy them all the best military >> > equipment and protect them against international law by vetoing every >> > resolution against them regardless of merit. >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > Three Ravens Consulting >> > Eric Roberts >> > Owner/Developer >> > [email protected] >> > tel: 630-486-5255 >> > fax: 630-310-8531 >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:26 PM >> > To: cf-community >> > Subject: Re: Middle east >> > >> > >> > Eric, >> > >> > I have to disagree with you here. Its a set of criminal gangs against a >> > government. Hamas, PFLP and the other groups have no qualms about using >> > human shields against the IDF. They have no problem with trying to create >> > massive civilian casualties on their end (their suicide bombing campaign >> a >> > few years ago for example). They've been cited by the UN and various >> human >> > rights groups for using civilian buildings, such as schools etc., as >> > ammunition dumps, and using children as human shields. They've also been >> > cited for extortion and corruption - you want to start a business, you >> pay >> > Hamas, not the government but the political/military organization a >> fairly >> > large chunk of change before hand. >> > >> > Moreover I have to agree with the Israeli philosophy to a large extent. >> > Israel is a small country at best, surrounded by nations and peoples who >> > would be quite thrilled to slaughter every last one of them, and then >> salt >> > the land. If Israel goes under there is not much left of Judaism, at >> least >> > not enough to start over. It simply boils down to this, the Israeli >> > philosophy is you want to hurt Israel, then expect to be dealt with in >> kind >> > ten times over. The alternative is non-existence. >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> If that was anywhere in the same multiverse as the truth, then you >> >> would have a point. Firepower wise, this is David vs Goliath with >> >> this time, David is Palestinian. Palestinians also have a right to >> >> defend their land and their land was stolen from them. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Three Ravens Consulting >> >> Eric Roberts >> >> Owner/Developer >> >> [email protected] >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:39 PM >> >> To: cf-community >> >> Subject: Re: Middle east >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/how-dare-you-defend-yourself/ >> >> >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > So Israel and Hamas are shooting at each other again. Wash. Rinse. >> >> Repeat. >> >> > >> >> > I'll use this as another occasion for me to float my annual plea >> >> > that the United States simply wash it's hands of the entire area. I >> >> > read a report the other day that by the year 2018, the #1 oil >> >> > producing country in the world is going to be....the United States. >> >> > >> >> > So if Israel or Iran or Lebanon or any of those places were to get >> >> > blown to shit....so what. >> >> > >> >> > They want to kill each other so bad. They've wanted to for decades. >> >> > They are always going to want to kill each other. So i say, let them >> >> > get it over with already! And to whomever is left standing: Do you >> >> > want to buy some American oil? :) >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:358458 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
