I'm not worried about the sources as much as the destination. Various CAIR officials have been convicted for supporting terror groups, I think hamas specifically, going back a decade or more. On Nov 16, 2012 9:14 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Have you ever been to a Lions or Freemason's meeting. Terminally boring. > > That said, I actually do have some respect for CAIR. They have been > calling out against various fatwas. Their aim is to be another Jewish > Anti-Defamation League, this time for Muslims. And before people start > ranting about funding sources etc., you need to look at the funding > sources that the ADL and JDL have had in the past. Its really a matter > of he who is without sin cast the first stone (as he gets crushed > under a load of thrown gravel)... > > The problem is that both sides are not working, a new approach is needed. > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > In many Islamic countries being a mason is an executable offense. > > > > And they have no funds? Iran, Saudi, Syria, and many more (to include > > Americans through groups like CAIR) send them millions and millions of > > dollars that they spend on weapons instead of infrastructure. > > On Nov 16, 2012 5:37 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> In 2010 according to the Jewish Databank > >> (http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/World_Jewish_Population_2010.pdf ) > >> in 2010 there were approximately 13,428,300 jews in the world. Of that > >> 13 million, just under 6 million (5,608,900) are in Israel. The > >> remaining, (7,739,600) are outside of Israel. There was a -.2% > >> decrease since the last census of the Diaspora and 1.7% increase in > >> Israel. Are you saying that if almost 45% of a population were > >> eliminated that would not have an impact? When there is around1 jew > >> per 1000 people of other ethnic/religious groups. I don't know where > >> you took a course in population statistics, but I'd go for a > >> refresher. > >> > >> Secondly what land was taken. During the 1948-1949 War of > >> Independence, aside from a few incidences the Palestinians left > >> voluntarily in response to Arab propaganda - look it up. Lets also not > >> forget about such minor things like the Holocaust, the Universal > >> Declaration of Human Rights and the Balfour Declaration. > >> > >> So you have no trouble justifying a gunman holding a child to protect > >> himself. Very interesting. Or is that just a specialcircumstance. What > >> about a Nazi SS officer using concentration camp prisoners to give him > >> cover to kill more allied soldiers. Or someone robbing a bank and > >> holding a kid as a hostage. What is the moral difference with these > >> cases? You have no problem it would appear justifying the killing of > >> Israeli civilians, but decry the killing of a Hamas gunman. > >> > >> As for no military. What the heck do you call these armed groups: > >> Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Popular > >> Resistance Committees (PRC), Democratic Front for the Liberation of > >> Palestine (DFLP), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine > >> (PFLP),Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command > >> (PFLP-GC). > >> > >> Hamas has between 20,000, and 25,000 armed soldiers. PIJ, several > >> thousand (numbers vary between 1 and 3,000 depending on whose > >> propaganda you read), AAMB - about 3 to 8 thousand, PRC ~1000. I could > >> go on, but you get the idea. Several of these groups also have > >> significant ties to Hezbollah and Iran. So you could include their > >> support if it came down to it. The point is that these groups are the > >> army of the Gaza and West Bank. > >> > >> Moreover all this crud doesn't have to happen. While the current > >> government of Israel is reluctant to negotiate, these Palestinian > >> groups kill those who want to seriously negotiate with the Israelis. > >> Remember the central tenant of this organization is the total > >> destruction of Israel, > >> > >> http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html > >> . > >> Mind you they also seem to be pissed off at the the Freemasons, Rotary > >> Clubs, and the Lions Clubs - seriously its in their charter. Why they > >> don't like a bunch of old guys who like to dress up in weird clothing > >> is beyond me. > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Eric Roberts > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > Not much left of Judaism? Seriously Larry? There are large and thriving > >> > Jewish communities all over the world. NYC's Jewish population is second > >> > only to Israel. There are 1.54 million Jews is the NYC Metro area alone. > >> > Here's he breakdown by country... > >> > > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country > >> > > >> > So why does Israel have more importance than the people who's land was > >> taken > >> > from them and who's land is continually encroached upon by Jewish > >> settlers? > >> > People will fight with whatever tools they have access to. Palestinians > >> do > >> > not have a military or a sugar daddy to buy them all the best military > >> > equipment and protect them against international law by vetoing every > >> > resolution against them regardless of merit. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > Three Ravens Consulting > >> > Eric Roberts > >> > Owner/Developer > >> > [email protected] > >> > tel: 630-486-5255 > >> > fax: 630-310-8531 > >> > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:26 PM > >> > To: cf-community > >> > Subject: Re: Middle east > >> > > >> > > >> > Eric, > >> > > >> > I have to disagree with you here. Its a set of criminal gangs against a > >> > government. Hamas, PFLP and the other groups have no qualms about using > >> > human shields against the IDF. They have no problem with trying to create > >> > massive civilian casualties on their end (their suicide bombing campaign > >> a > >> > few years ago for example). They've been cited by the UN and various > >> human > >> > rights groups for using civilian buildings, such as schools etc., as > >> > ammunition dumps, and using children as human shields. They've also been > >> > cited for extortion and corruption - you want to start a business, you > >> pay > >> > Hamas, not the government but the political/military organization a > >> fairly > >> > large chunk of change before hand. > >> > > >> > Moreover I have to agree with the Israeli philosophy to a large extent. > >> > Israel is a small country at best, surrounded by nations and peoples who > >> > would be quite thrilled to slaughter every last one of them, and then > >> salt > >> > the land. If Israel goes under there is not much left of Judaism, at > >> least > >> > not enough to start over. It simply boils down to this, the Israeli > >> > philosophy is you want to hurt Israel, then expect to be dealt with in > >> kind > >> > ten times over. The alternative is non-existence. > >> > > >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts < > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> If that was anywhere in the same multiverse as the truth, then you > >> >> would have a point. Firepower wise, this is David vs Goliath with > >> >> this time, David is Palestinian. Palestinians also have a right to > >> >> defend their land and their land was stolen from them. > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> Three Ravens Consulting > >> >> Eric Roberts > >> >> Owner/Developer > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> tel: 630-486-5255 > >> >> fax: 630-310-8531 > >> >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > >> >> ------------------------------------ > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:39 PM > >> >> To: cf-community > >> >> Subject: Re: Middle east > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> http://www.solveisraelsproblems.com/how-dare-you-defend-yourself/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> . > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > So Israel and Hamas are shooting at each other again. Wash. Rinse. > >> >> Repeat. > >> >> > > >> >> > I'll use this as another occasion for me to float my annual plea > >> >> > that the United States simply wash it's hands of the entire area. I > >> >> > read a report the other day that by the year 2018, the #1 oil > >> >> > producing country in the world is going to be....the United States. > >> >> > > >> >> > So if Israel or Iran or Lebanon or any of those places were to get > >> >> > blown to shit....so what. > >> >> > > >> >> > They want to kill each other so bad. They've wanted to for decades. > >> >> > They are always going to want to kill each other. So i say, let them > >> >> > get it over with already! And to whomever is left standing: Do you > >> >> > want to buy some American oil? :) > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
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