It was something I saw during my tenure with the CF on some NATO and other exercises with National Guard soldiers the164th Infantry from ND). This was when the US army was at a particularly low point post Vietnam and before the Vietnam generation of officers and NCO's became the commanders, colonels and generals. I remember our RSM after one live fire exercise just walk away shaking his head. This man was profane in 5 languages and the S&P left him speechless.
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Bruce Sorge <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ok, I was not being totally serious about this. We use machine guns for > suppression and creating mass casualties, not spray and pray. That is what > haj does, not us. I was just trying to be a little funny but obviously failed. > > Sent from my iPhone 4S. > > On Jan 10, 2013, at 1:43 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> My own opinion is that I've never liked the spray and pray approach I >> experience when on exercise with the US military (this is when I was >> with the Canadian Forces - at NATO Reforger and Able Archer). Our own >> emphasis was on "musketry" and aimed suppression fire. A very >> different approach. >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Bruce Sorge <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> That was more if a rhetorical statement and was not pointed at you Tim. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 4S. >>> >>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 1:01 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I know this man, I speant a couple of years in weapons squads in the 82nd >>>> and the 29th. Yes the crew served weapons are our most casualty producing >>>> weapons. That doesn't really pertain to our current discussion however as >>>> legal machine guns have been used in exactly 1 crime since the inception of >>>> the NFA in the 30s. Beofre that you could mail order them. >>>> On Jan 10, 2013 12:42 PM, "Bruce Sorge" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's why we have machine guns. To spray the enemy and keep their heads >>>>> down. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S. >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 12:17 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm saying that yes, a capable man with a 10 shot bolt gun with optics >>>>> can >>>>>> do far more damage than someone with a 30 round semi-auto. Trained >>>>> people >>>>>> don't spray and pray, we fire single aimed shots at point targets, and >>>>> with >>>>>> a bolt action 300 win mag you can tap people near a mile away, through >>>>>> armor. Something you certainly could never do with that AR. >>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013 12:10 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you're telling me that someone with a single shot bolt action rifle >>>>>>> can do as much damage as an AR-15. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Trained rifleman late 19th century using such a rifle (Martini-Henry >>>>>>> Rifle for instance) could fire around 10-20 rounds per minute on a >>>>>>> good day. A bushmaster in the hands of someone with minimal training >>>>>>> is anywhere from 45 to 120 rounds per minute. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW that chart I noted previously showed that even though Canadian >>>>>>> firearms laws became increasingly more restrictive, the homicide rate >>>>>>> by other means remained relatively stable or even declined. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:46 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's funny, Larry mentioned several failed states and genocides >>>>> earlier. >>>>>>>> However if you look to sme of the very incidents he mentions you see it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> a person with a motive that kills, not the gun. How many hundreds of >>>>>>>> thousands, even millions, were killed, tortured and disfigured with >>>>>>>> machetes? How many would still be alive today if they had an AK under >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> bed and a pistol on the night stand? >>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013 11:42 AM, "Jerry Barnes" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Gun control works if it's area wide.....country wide......it hasn't >>>>>>>>> worked in >>>>>>>>> America because it's isolated." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe we should mimic Mexico's gun control program. It's nationwide >>>>> and >>>>>>>>> very restrictive. Works great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a >>>>>>> civilian >>>>>>>>> national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just >>>>> as >>>>>>>>> well-funded. - Barack Obama >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:359946 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
