that said what really impressed me was how accurate the M2 was. And those mf'ers stuck me with an SMG!
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > It was something I saw during my tenure with the CF on some NATO and > other exercises with National Guard soldiers the164th Infantry from > ND). This was when the US army was at a particularly low point post > Vietnam and before the Vietnam generation of officers and NCO's became > the commanders, colonels and generals. I remember our RSM after one > live fire exercise just walk away shaking his head. This man was > profane in 5 languages and the S&P left him speechless. > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Bruce Sorge <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ok, I was not being totally serious about this. We use machine guns for >> suppression and creating mass casualties, not spray and pray. That is what >> haj does, not us. I was just trying to be a little funny but obviously >> failed. >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S. >> >> On Jan 10, 2013, at 1:43 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> My own opinion is that I've never liked the spray and pray approach I >>> experience when on exercise with the US military (this is when I was >>> with the Canadian Forces - at NATO Reforger and Able Archer). Our own >>> emphasis was on "musketry" and aimed suppression fire. A very >>> different approach. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Bruce Sorge <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> That was more if a rhetorical statement and was not pointed at you Tim. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S. >>>> >>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 1:01 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know this man, I speant a couple of years in weapons squads in the 82nd >>>>> and the 29th. Yes the crew served weapons are our most casualty producing >>>>> weapons. That doesn't really pertain to our current discussion however as >>>>> legal machine guns have been used in exactly 1 crime since the inception >>>>> of >>>>> the NFA in the 30s. Beofre that you could mail order them. >>>>> On Jan 10, 2013 12:42 PM, "Bruce Sorge" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why we have machine guns. To spray the enemy and keep their heads >>>>>> down. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 12:17 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm saying that yes, a capable man with a 10 shot bolt gun with optics >>>>>> can >>>>>>> do far more damage than someone with a 30 round semi-auto. Trained >>>>>> people >>>>>>> don't spray and pray, we fire single aimed shots at point targets, and >>>>>> with >>>>>>> a bolt action 300 win mag you can tap people near a mile away, through >>>>>>> armor. Something you certainly could never do with that AR. >>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013 12:10 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So you're telling me that someone with a single shot bolt action rifle >>>>>>>> can do as much damage as an AR-15. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Trained rifleman late 19th century using such a rifle (Martini-Henry >>>>>>>> Rifle for instance) could fire around 10-20 rounds per minute on a >>>>>>>> good day. A bushmaster in the hands of someone with minimal training >>>>>>>> is anywhere from 45 to 120 rounds per minute. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW that chart I noted previously showed that even though Canadian >>>>>>>> firearms laws became increasingly more restrictive, the homicide rate >>>>>>>> by other means remained relatively stable or even declined. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:46 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's funny, Larry mentioned several failed states and genocides >>>>>> earlier. >>>>>>>>> However if you look to sme of the very incidents he mentions you see >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> a person with a motive that kills, not the gun. How many hundreds of >>>>>>>>> thousands, even millions, were killed, tortured and disfigured with >>>>>>>>> machetes? How many would still be alive today if they had an AK under >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> bed and a pistol on the night stand? >>>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013 11:42 AM, "Jerry Barnes" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Gun control works if it's area wide.....country wide......it hasn't >>>>>>>>>> worked in >>>>>>>>>> America because it's isolated." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should mimic Mexico's gun control program. It's nationwide >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> very restrictive. Works great. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a >>>>>>>> civilian >>>>>>>>>> national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just >>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> well-funded. - Barack Obama >>> >>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:359948 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
