I loved the Ma Duece. Reliable, accurate and lethal as hell. On Jan 10, 2013 2:22 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > that said what really impressed me was how accurate the M2 was. And > those mf'ers stuck me with an SMG! > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It was something I saw during my tenure with the CF on some NATO and > > other exercises with National Guard soldiers the164th Infantry from > > ND). This was when the US army was at a particularly low point post > > Vietnam and before the Vietnam generation of officers and NCO's became > > the commanders, colonels and generals. I remember our RSM after one > > live fire exercise just walk away shaking his head. This man was > > profane in 5 languages and the S&P left him speechless. > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Bruce Sorge <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Ok, I was not being totally serious about this. We use machine guns for > suppression and creating mass casualties, not spray and pray. That is what > haj does, not us. I was just trying to be a little funny but obviously > failed. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone 4S. > >> > >> On Jan 10, 2013, at 1:43 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> My own opinion is that I've never liked the spray and pray approach I > >>> experience when on exercise with the US military (this is when I was > >>> with the Canadian Forces - at NATO Reforger and Able Archer). Our own > >>> emphasis was on "musketry" and aimed suppression fire. A very > >>> different approach. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Bruce Sorge <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> That was more if a rhetorical statement and was not pointed at you > Tim. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S. > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 1:01 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I know this man, I speant a couple of years in weapons squads in the > 82nd > >>>>> and the 29th. Yes the crew served weapons are our most casualty > producing > >>>>> weapons. That doesn't really pertain to our current discussion > however as > >>>>> legal machine guns have been used in exactly 1 crime since the > inception of > >>>>> the NFA in the 30s. Beofre that you could mail order them. > >>>>> On Jan 10, 2013 12:42 PM, "Bruce Sorge" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That's why we have machine guns. To spray the enemy and keep their > heads > >>>>>> down. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 12:17 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm saying that yes, a capable man with a 10 shot bolt gun with > optics > >>>>>> can > >>>>>>> do far more damage than someone with a 30 round semi-auto. Trained > >>>>>> people > >>>>>>> don't spray and pray, we fire single aimed shots at point targets, > and > >>>>>> with > >>>>>>> a bolt action 300 win mag you can tap people near a mile away, > through > >>>>>>> armor. Something you certainly could never do with that AR. > >>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013 12:10 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So you're telling me that someone with a single shot bolt action > rifle > >>>>>>>> can do as much damage as an AR-15. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Trained rifleman late 19th century using such a rifle > (Martini-Henry > >>>>>>>> Rifle for instance) could fire around 10-20 rounds per minute on a > >>>>>>>> good day. A bushmaster in the hands of someone with minimal > training > >>>>>>>> is anywhere from 45 to 120 rounds per minute. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> BTW that chart I noted previously showed that even though Canadian > >>>>>>>> firearms laws became increasingly more restrictive, the homicide > rate > >>>>>>>> by other means remained relatively stable or even declined. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:46 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It's funny, Larry mentioned several failed states and genocides > >>>>>> earlier. > >>>>>>>>> However if you look to sme of the very incidents he mentions you > see it > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> a person with a motive that kills, not the gun. How many > hundreds of > >>>>>>>>> thousands, even millions, were killed, tortured and disfigured > with > >>>>>>>>> machetes? How many would still be alive today if they had an AK > under > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> bed and a pistol on the night stand? > >>>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013 11:42 AM, "Jerry Barnes" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "Gun control works if it's area wide.....country wide......it > hasn't > >>>>>>>>>> worked in > >>>>>>>>>> America because it's isolated." > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should mimic Mexico's gun control program. It's > nationwide > >>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> very restrictive. Works great. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> J > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> - > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to > achieve > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a > >>>>>>>> civilian > >>>>>>>>>> national security force that's just as powerful, just as > strong, just > >>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>>> well-funded. - Barack Obama > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:359952 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
