Well, no. Scrum is an attempt to apply engineering principles to a historically unmeasurable process.
and like with baking, or making cement, following the process AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE is the actual purpose. the client can say "i need a double batch", or "I need it to dry underwater", but that just directs the team to change the formula, the client doesn't get to say "add more lyme, and use orange juice instead of water." when done well, i have seen it work great. but i usually see a train wreck. but that is true of all dev methodologies. which is why agile seems like the promised land for pms and managers. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:17 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > Uh, the only RIGHT way....is the way the client tells you to do it. Because > the only right way, is the way that gets you paid. > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hour long 'scrum', regardless of the reason, is doing it wrong. > > > > PM should be giving client a briefing based on the daily scrum or if > client > > insists on being on call, they should play by the 'rules'. > > > > Sounds like client doesn't understand how the daily scrum is supposed to > > work and that no one is willing/able to explain it. > > On Aug 4, 2014 1:10 PM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > He might be under similar constraints that my project is given. The > > client > > > deemed our project "essential" and "critical", and they want > observation > > > and updates daily.....so we are forced to have our clients on the phone > > > with us for our daily standups. You can imagine how this complicates > > > things. > > > > > > Agile scrums can be corrupted just like any other process...we've had > > hour > > > long stand-ups because the client steers them that way. Eric probably > has > > > some similar externality that is butchering his Agile purity. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hour scrum? > > > > > > > > Yea...you are doing it so very wrong. > > > > > > > > If our daily scrum is more than 5 minutes, I get antsy. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have an hour meeting every day for our scrum, plus a > retrospective > > > > and a > > > > > scrum panning session during a new sprint. Those meetings can go > up > > > to 2 > > > > > hrs...I think it is just an excuse for management not to do it's > > job... > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 10:41 AM > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > Subject: Re: Sometimes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again....if you spend that much time in meetings, you are not doing > > > > 'agile' > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:32 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AMEN!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Our shop is going full blown Agile, and the meetings are driving > me > > > > nuts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website > > > Solutions > > > > > > < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoL, that is priceless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm so glad our team isn't agile. Waste of frigging time that > > is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 days a sprint wasted to meetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Working with the agile process I see LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 1:14 PM > > > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > > > Subject: Sometimes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, have to vent. Work's being a bit more "bang head > > here"-ish > > > > > > > than usual. Guess the next skills I need to develop to advance > > my > > > > > > > career are telepathy, time travel and insomnia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy Friday, folks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until Later! > > > > > > > C. Hatton Humphrey > > > > > > > http://www.eastcoastconservative.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > some > > > > > > > smelting to find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371926 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
