I hear ya. That is why I don't go to planning meetings. The PM does and then we discuss what work needs to be done. On Aug 5, 2014 4:19 PM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I just don't like the planning meetings...which i'm in as we speak, going > on it's 5th hour. That's all. My only complaint. > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I guess my point should have been: > > > > If you don't follow the guidelines for something, it is not really fair > to > > complain about it when things go wrong. > > > > There are parts of 'agile' I loathe. Other parts I like - scrum being one > > of them, I find it keeps me focused more on what needs to be done. > > > > But I won't fault 'agile' if we only follow some of the guidelines and > > things go south. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Having them 'attend' the scrum is fine. > > > > > > > > Having them disrupt the scrum with stuff that is 'outside of scope' > for > > > > scrum is not. > > > > > > > > As contractors, we should not simply give the client what they ask > for > > > > (often times, what they as for is not what they want). We should > guide > > > the > > > > client to what is best for the project. This includes letting them > know > > > > that for an 'agile' process, it is not best for the project if they > > > attend > > > > the meeting and take things off the rails. > > > > > > > > > > Meh....i don't see the point in trying to conform a project to a > > > methodology, as opposed to the other way around. > > > > > > My project is a high visibility, highly critical, rapidly changing > > project. > > > The needs and requirements change almost daily. As such, client input > can > > > be necessary daily. So they asked to use our scrums for that. > > > > > > Seems stupid for me to say "No, Agile doesn't work that way...". Seems > > more > > > reasonable to say "Our project is pretty unique, let's adapt Agile to > > work > > > the way we need it." > > > > > > So that's how we scrum, and we make it work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371944 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
