Bill,
I hate to say it man, but seriously being in JROTC doesn't give you
the ability to really tell anyone how it is to be in the service. I can no
more tell someone how it is to be in the navy than that sailor can tell
anyone how it is to be any infantry, or what it's like to jump. I like you
man, seriously not meaning to knock you but you generally talk about the
military like you have been there or something. That really bugs the
bejesus outta me man.
Timothy Heald
Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
"that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be
sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:17 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Not anti-suv but....
UMM dude what about all the right wing bureaucrats in office now LOL.
Every 4-12 years it shifts sometimes left wing sometime right wing.
But the nice thing about mandatory MILITARY service is that it will help
instill pride, discipline, better values hopefully, respect. All things alot
of kids these days don't know or care about.
I personally loved NJROTC, i would have loved to finally go into th
emilitary just a twist of fate kept me from going in. I was even going to
join the NG but the wife's ex husband got Gulf war illeness and she was
COMPLETELY opposed to me serving in the military for fear of another
government screw up that have messed up many many soldiers lives because
they wanted to serve their country. But still i think its a character
building thing, step daughter was a complete shit head sometimes, for some
reason she wanted to join Army JROTC in her highschool. I had been telling
her about the military and everything and she decided she wanted to do it
she had a major attitude problem and i talked it over with the wife and told
her i personally thought it would be an excellent thing. And sure enough
after the first week she was wanting to quit, people telling her what to do
screaming (not really screaming but you know what i mean) in her face to do
things. But i made her hang in there and now shes in CA and she just got her
SGT rank, she is platoon commander with her own platoon to command now. Shes
on the honor guard and drill team and i can't tell you how proud of her i am
when i see her in her uniform and performing. She shaped up better at home
( minus the whole writting on my walls thing) was respectful called us sir
or ma'am when we were being serious with her. She was more thankful for the
things she was able to get since i'm by no means rich and sometimes kids
want the best of everything and i couldn't always get her that nice GAP
jeans that were 40 bucks lol.
I don't know there are so many reasons i think military service would help
our country. As a matter of fact i think i'm going to look into joining the
NG down here myself since no more wife to stop me.
"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good
with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts peple off!"
Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Not anti-suv but....
Tim,
You don't have it quite right. Heinlein had it so that those who did a
period of Federal service had the right to vote. It was not necessarily
military service, but the criteria was that you had to serve a minimal
amount of time doing some task for the government. It could be serving in
the military or it could be as a minor bureaucrat or sweeping up after the
elephants on the parade ground. The critial factor was the willingness to
serve.
So if this were applied to the US, all those who served in the military,
all the federal bureaucrats, and anyone who served with Americorps or the
Peace Corps would be citizens. Not sure about how the different state
services would fit into this however.
Think of the unintended consequences. Are you sure you want that many left
wing bureaucrats voting in elections?
larry
At 11:59 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
>I would really like to see
>something like in Star Ship Troopers (the book) where you have citizens and
>you have civilians. Civilians have all the rights and responsibilities,
all
>the protections under the laws that a citizen does, except the right to
>vote. The only people that have the right to vote are those that choose to
>serve in the armed forces. I know this is going to sound really extreme to
>a lot of people, but I figure hey put up or shut up. If you not willing
to
>lay it ALL on the line then you shouldn't get to participate in the
process.
>I mean if you look at it, most of the time we have record LOW voter turn
out
>anyway. What like 30% and less now right? Well then those people that
feel
>strongly about it, those that want to be part of the process, they have to
>give up something in order to get in.
Larry C. Lyons
ColdFusion/Web Developer
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
EBStor.com
8420 Quarry Road
Manassas, Virginia 20110-5326
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