I don't know where or when you went to the scouts but we had guns sometimes.
Timothy Heald Overseas Security Advisory Council U.S. Department of State "that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796 -----Original Message----- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:09 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Not anti-suv but.... I guess you'll say next that my experiences as a cub scout don't give me any insight into military service :-) Do you know how hard it is to get merit badges!!!! and, at least you had a gun for your overnight encampments! Marlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Bill, > I hate to say it man, but seriously being in JROTC doesn't give you >the ability to really tell anyone how it is to be in the service. I can no >more tell someone how it is to be in the navy than that sailor can tell >anyone how it is to be any infantry, or what it's like to jump. I like you >man, seriously not meaning to knock you but you generally talk about the >military like you have been there or something. That really bugs the >bejesus outta me man. > >Timothy Heald >Overseas Security Advisory Council >U.S. Department of State > >"that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be >sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:17 PM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: Not anti-suv but.... > > >UMM dude what about all the right wing bureaucrats in office now LOL. > >Every 4-12 years it shifts sometimes left wing sometime right wing. > >But the nice thing about mandatory MILITARY service is that it will help >instill pride, discipline, better values hopefully, respect. All things alot >of kids these days don't know or care about. > >I personally loved NJROTC, i would have loved to finally go into th >emilitary just a twist of fate kept me from going in. I was even going to >join the NG but the wife's ex husband got Gulf war illeness and she was >COMPLETELY opposed to me serving in the military for fear of another >government screw up that have messed up many many soldiers lives because >they wanted to serve their country. But still i think its a character >building thing, step daughter was a complete shit head sometimes, for some >reason she wanted to join Army JROTC in her highschool. I had been telling >her about the military and everything and she decided she wanted to do it >she had a major attitude problem and i talked it over with the wife and told >her i personally thought it would be an excellent thing. And sure enough >after the first week she was wanting to quit, people telling her what to do >screaming (not really screaming but you know what i mean) in her face to do >things. But i made her hang in there and now shes in CA and she just got her >SGT rank, she is platoon commander with her own platoon to command now. Shes >on the honor guard and drill team and i can't tell you how proud of her i am >when i see her in her uniform and performing. She shaped up better at home >( minus the whole writting on my walls thing) was respectful called us sir >or ma'am when we were being serious with her. She was more thankful for the >things she was able to get since i'm by no means rich and sometimes kids >want the best of everything and i couldn't always get her that nice GAP >jeans that were 40 bucks lol. > >I don't know there are so many reasons i think military service would help >our country. As a matter of fact i think i'm going to look into joining the >NG down here myself since no more wife to stop me. > > > >"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good >with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts peple off!" >Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:44 PM >Subject: RE: Not anti-suv but.... > > >Tim, > >You don't have it quite right. Heinlein had it so that those who did a >period of Federal service had the right to vote. It was not necessarily >military service, but the criteria was that you had to serve a minimal >amount of time doing some task for the government. It could be serving in >the military or it could be as a minor bureaucrat or sweeping up after the >elephants on the parade ground. The critial factor was the willingness to >serve. > >So if this were applied to the US, all those who served in the military, >all the federal bureaucrats, and anyone who served with Americorps or the >Peace Corps would be citizens. Not sure about how the different state >services would fit into this however. > >Think of the unintended consequences. Are you sure you want that many left >wing bureaucrats voting in elections? > >larry > >At 11:59 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote: > > >>I would really like to see >>something like in Star Ship Troopers (the book) where you have citizens and >>you have civilians. Civilians have all the rights and responsibilities, >> >> >all > > >>the protections under the laws that a citizen does, except the right to >>vote. The only people that have the right to vote are those that choose to >>serve in the armed forces. I know this is going to sound really extreme to >>a lot of people, but I figure hey put up or shut up. If you not willing >> >> >to > > >>lay it ALL on the line then you shouldn't get to participate in the >> >> >process. > > >>I mean if you look at it, most of the time we have record LOW voter turn >> >> >out > > >>anyway. What like 30% and less now right? Well then those people that >> >> >feel > > >>strongly about it, those that want to be part of the process, they have to >>give up something in order to get in. >> >> > >Larry C. Lyons >ColdFusion/Web Developer >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >EBStor.com >8420 Quarry Road >Manassas, Virginia 20110-5326 >Web: http://www.ebstor.com >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. >-- > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89 70.5
