well it seems to be some sort of exception also... but since I am not a ex-Peace Corps person and I am not looking for a clearance at the moment I guess it doesnt matter much to me.
Seems like such a deal though, go earn less than minimum wage working on-call 24/7 in order to promote goodwill for your country abroad, and be barred from upper-level government participation because of it... Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > SCI means Secure Compartmentalized Information. It's an additional modifier > for a Top Secret clearance. A step up from one I guess. I had one that just > went bad back in February, need to go get a new polygraph now :( > > AR means Army Regulation. So somewhere there is an AR preventing Peace > Corps types from becoming Intelligence types. > > I always thought it was because the Peace Corps was like some hippy thing, > that they were afraid of penetration (hehe not that penetration is always > such a bad thing) by communists and such. > > Timothy Heald > > "that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be > sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:15 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Not anti-suv but.... > > > ::shrug::: once, in the mists of time, they were recruiting at AU and it > crossed my mind to look into it. I was told I could not join because I was > a US citizen, and that is the reason I was given. Out of curiosity, what is > an SCI clearance, and what's Chapter 1, AR 614-200? And does this apply to > VISTA I wonder... I know the republicans disapprove of it, it was > completely gutted under Reagan and Bush Sr. I was contacted a couple of > times; they said that they were not allowed to hire anyone who had not been > trained but that no funds were being allocated for training, so would I be > interested in working for them again? I thought about it and decided I had > done my bit... > > Dana > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > ambassador ?? > > > > I am a contractor, wtf does that mean? > > > > Anyway I checked and you are right. It is still part of the government > > which makes it stranger for me. I can tell you this, if you were ever in > > the Peace Corps your not going to get an SCI clearance, and your not going > > to be in Army intelligence. > > > > "Have never been a member of the Peace Corps, except as specified in > Chapter > > 1, AR 614-200" > > > > Direct quote from > https://www.perscomonline.army.mil/epmpmilang/MI/97B.htm. > > > > > > I know that it is looked down upon in these circles. I didn't think it > was > > part of the government, only supported by parts of it. Sorry about that. > > > > Timothy Heald > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > > U.S. Department of State > > > > "that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be > > sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:59 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Not anti-suv but.... > > > > > > last I checked Peace Corps was part of the US government?? maybe it got > > de-funded like VISTA, but it at least used to be in the same agency, and > > you can't join unless you are a US citizen, since you are supposed an > > ambassador of the US or some such reasoning. And let me tell you, when I > > worked for VISTA my paycheck came from the US Treasury and when they > > decided not to pass a federal budget that year I missed a paycheck like > the > > rest of the US government.... > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > I can see that. I did some time in the Florida conservation corps. I > > could > > > see something like that counting. And some of the other methods of > > service > > > that you mentioned. > > > > > > Now the peace corps I would object to. Currently it is no longer a > > > government organization, sponsored maybe, but not actually a part of the > > > government. It can actually stop you from holding some national security > > > positions, and block you from receiving high level clearances due to the > > > make up and nature of the organization. > > > > > > Timothy Heald > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > > > U.S. Department of State > > > > > > "that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be > > > sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:24 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Not anti-suv but.... > > > > > > > > > Let military service be an option, a reduced time or whatever, but also > > let > > > there be other forms of service, like relief work, policing, fire > > fighting, > > > environmental rehab, wilderness protection, forest fire fighting etc. > etc. > > > > > > In other words how about all the low level scut work that currently > being > > > done by employees, be done by draftees. > > > > > > Military service is not for everyone. there are some where it would be > > more > > > of a disaster to have in the military than some other service. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > At 01:17 PM 4/2/2003, you wrote: > > > >UMM dude what about all the right wing bureaucrats in office now LOL. > > > > > > > >Every 4-12 years it shifts sometimes left wing sometime right wing. > > > > > > > >But the nice thing about mandatory MILITARY service is that it will > help > > > >instill pride, discipline, better values hopefully, respect. All things > > > alot > > > >of kids these days don't know or care about. > > > > > > > >I personally loved NJROTC, i would have loved to finally go into th > > > >emilitary just a twist of fate kept me from going in. I was even going > to > > > >join the NG but the wife's ex husband got Gulf war illeness and she was > > > >COMPLETELY opposed to me serving in the military for fear of another > > > >government screw up that have messed up many many soldiers lives > because > > > >they wanted to serve their country. But still i think its a character > > > >building thing, step daughter was a complete shit head sometimes, for > > some > > > >reason she wanted to join Army JROTC in her highschool. I had been > > telling > > > >her about the military and everything and she decided she wanted to do > it > > > >she had a major attitude problem and i talked it over with the wife and > > > told > > > >her i personally thought it would be an excellent thing. And sure > enough > > > >after the first week she was wanting to quit, people telling her what > to > > do > > > >screaming (not really screaming but you know what i mean) in her face > to > > do > > > >things. But i made her hang in there and now shes in CA and she just > got > > > her > > > >SGT rank, she is platoon commander with her own platoon to command now. > > > Shes > > > >on the honor guard and drill team and i can't tell you how proud of her > i > > > am > > > >when i see her in her uniform and performing. She shaped up better at > > home > > > >( minus the whole writting on my walls thing) was respectful called us > > sir > > > >or ma'am when we were being serious with her. She was more thankful for > > the > > > >things she was able to get since i'm by no means rich and sometimes > kids > > > >want the best of everything and i couldn't always get her that nice GAP > > > >jeans that were 40 bucks lol. > > > > > > > >I don't know there are so many reasons i think military service would > > help > > > >our country. As a matter of fact i think i'm going to look into joining > > the > > > >NG down here myself since no more wife to stop me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good > > > >with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts peple > off!" > > > >Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:44 PM > > > >Subject: RE: Not anti-suv but.... > > > > > > > > > > > >Tim, > > > > > > > >You don't have it quite right. Heinlein had it so that those who did a > > > >period of Federal service had the right to vote. It was not necessarily > > > >military service, but the criteria was that you had to serve a minimal > > > >amount of time doing some task for the government. It could be serving > in > > > >the military or it could be as a minor bureaucrat or sweeping up after > > the > > > >elephants on the parade ground. The critial factor was the willingness > to > > > >serve. > > > > > > > >So if this were applied to the US, all those who served in the > military, > > > >all the federal bureaucrats, and anyone who served with Americorps or > the > > > >Peace Corps would be citizens. Not sure about how the different state > > > >services would fit into this however. > > > > > > > >Think of the unintended consequences. Are you sure you want that many > > left > > > >wing bureaucrats voting in elections? > > > > > > > >larry > > > > > > > >At 11:59 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote: > > > > >I would really like to see > > > > >something like in Star Ship Troopers (the book) where you have > citizens > > > and > > > > >you have civilians. Civilians have all the rights and > > responsibilities, > > > >all > > > > >the protections under the laws that a citizen does, except the right > to > > > > >vote. The only people that have the right to vote are those that > > choose > > > to > > > > >serve in the armed forces. I know this is going to sound really > > extreme > > > to > > > > >a lot of people, but I figure hey put up or shut up. If you not > > willing > > > >to > > > > >lay it ALL on the line then you shouldn't get to participate in the > > > >process. > > > > >I mean if you look at it, most of the time we have record LOW voter > > turn > > > >out > > > > >anyway. What like 30% and less now right? Well then those people > that > > > >feel > > > > >strongly about it, those that want to be part of the process, they > have > > > to > > > > >give up something in order to get in. > > > > > > > >Larry C. Lyons > > > >ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > >EBStor.com > > > >8420 Quarry Road > > > >Manassas, Virginia 20110-5326 > > > >Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
