I guess you'll say next that my experiences as a cub scout don't give me any insight into military service :-) Do you know how hard it is to get merit badges!!!! and, at least you had a gun for your overnight encampments!
Marlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Bill, > I hate to say it man, but seriously being in JROTC doesn't give you >the ability to really tell anyone how it is to be in the service. I can no >more tell someone how it is to be in the navy than that sailor can tell >anyone how it is to be any infantry, or what it's like to jump. I like you >man, seriously not meaning to knock you but you generally talk about the >military like you have been there or something. That really bugs the >bejesus outta me man. > >Timothy Heald >Overseas Security Advisory Council >U.S. Department of State > >"that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be >sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 1:17 PM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: Not anti-suv but.... > > >UMM dude what about all the right wing bureaucrats in office now LOL. > >Every 4-12 years it shifts sometimes left wing sometime right wing. > >But the nice thing about mandatory MILITARY service is that it will help >instill pride, discipline, better values hopefully, respect. All things alot >of kids these days don't know or care about. > >I personally loved NJROTC, i would have loved to finally go into th >emilitary just a twist of fate kept me from going in. I was even going to >join the NG but the wife's ex husband got Gulf war illeness and she was >COMPLETELY opposed to me serving in the military for fear of another >government screw up that have messed up many many soldiers lives because >they wanted to serve their country. But still i think its a character >building thing, step daughter was a complete shit head sometimes, for some >reason she wanted to join Army JROTC in her highschool. I had been telling >her about the military and everything and she decided she wanted to do it >she had a major attitude problem and i talked it over with the wife and told >her i personally thought it would be an excellent thing. And sure enough >after the first week she was wanting to quit, people telling her what to do >screaming (not really screaming but you know what i mean) in her face to do >things. But i made her hang in there and now shes in CA and she just got her >SGT rank, she is platoon commander with her own platoon to command now. Shes >on the honor guard and drill team and i can't tell you how proud of her i am >when i see her in her uniform and performing. She shaped up better at home >( minus the whole writting on my walls thing) was respectful called us sir >or ma'am when we were being serious with her. She was more thankful for the >things she was able to get since i'm by no means rich and sometimes kids >want the best of everything and i couldn't always get her that nice GAP >jeans that were 40 bucks lol. > >I don't know there are so many reasons i think military service would help >our country. As a matter of fact i think i'm going to look into joining the >NG down here myself since no more wife to stop me. > > > >"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good >with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts peple off!" >Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:44 PM >Subject: RE: Not anti-suv but.... > > >Tim, > >You don't have it quite right. Heinlein had it so that those who did a >period of Federal service had the right to vote. It was not necessarily >military service, but the criteria was that you had to serve a minimal >amount of time doing some task for the government. It could be serving in >the military or it could be as a minor bureaucrat or sweeping up after the >elephants on the parade ground. The critial factor was the willingness to >serve. > >So if this were applied to the US, all those who served in the military, >all the federal bureaucrats, and anyone who served with Americorps or the >Peace Corps would be citizens. Not sure about how the different state >services would fit into this however. > >Think of the unintended consequences. Are you sure you want that many left >wing bureaucrats voting in elections? > >larry > >At 11:59 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote: > > >>I would really like to see >>something like in Star Ship Troopers (the book) where you have citizens and >>you have civilians. Civilians have all the rights and responsibilities, >> >> >all > > >>the protections under the laws that a citizen does, except the right to >>vote. The only people that have the right to vote are those that choose to >>serve in the armed forces. I know this is going to sound really extreme to >>a lot of people, but I figure hey put up or shut up. If you not willing >> >> >to > > >>lay it ALL on the line then you shouldn't get to participate in the >> >> >process. > > >>I mean if you look at it, most of the time we have record LOW voter turn >> >> >out > > >>anyway. What like 30% and less now right? Well then those people that >> >> >feel > > >>strongly about it, those that want to be part of the process, they have to >>give up something in order to get in. >> >> > >Larry C. Lyons >ColdFusion/Web Developer >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >EBStor.com >8420 Quarry Road >Manassas, Virginia 20110-5326 >Web: http://www.ebstor.com >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. >-- > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89 70.5
