I mean the ones that are putting spikes in trees that end up hurting and
killing people with chainsaws. I mean the ones that have set fire to lumber
camps with people inside.

While I think that the penalty is way too steep, I do think that making it
high enough to prevent it from being a common occurrence is wise.

I don't think that the cost of the protests can be used to gauge the support
for the war.  I mean a relatively small group of protesters can cause a lot
of damage. Think about what 100 or 200 pissed off college kids can do.

Timothy Heald 
Overseas Security Advisory Council 
U.S. Department of State 

"that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be
sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796



-----Original Message-----
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:36 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Liberate Iraq -- Even With Unclean Hands


Yeah, I know what you mean, it's just that I've just never heard of a
militant environmentalist doing much more than strapping himself to a tree.
I guess there can be a few bad seeds, but people are talking about putting
up laws that would severaly restrict the forms of protest allowed to thse
groups. In Oregon, a law was proposed to give someone 25 years for blocking
traffic in protest... someone could get less time for shooting a passerby. 

Now, this kind of law is unlikely to pass. What bothers me is the attitude
that something someone or a group of someones has to say is so troublesome
that we cannot let it be said, in whatever form it is going to take. If
protests are so expensive that police forces are being put out, doesn't that
say something about the real support for the war? 

M

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:27 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Liberate Iraq -- Even With Unclean Hands


I didn't say everyone, or even the majority were in these groups. I was just
saying that these groups do exist.  The cops have a duty to protect the
store owners and citizens in the area of the demonstrations. That undercover
cop is going to be able to see who the trouble makers are and they can track
the groups.  If it comes out that they are spying on the peaceful protesters
than I am of course against that.

I mean it's like when people were complaining about the FBI tracking the
panthers.  Well please remember that panthers were convicted on murder, drug
and robbery charges.  They weren't peaceful.  it's the same kind of thing.

Timothy Heald 
Overseas Security Advisory Council 
U.S. Department of State 

"that the free Constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be
sacredly maintained" - George Washington, Farewell Address 1796


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