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 jon
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Wednesday, June 25, 2003, 4:38:15 PM, you wrote:
MD> Yes, it is. Science is nice and all but its not the end all/be all.

Science is not nice...it can't be personified like an almighty god.

MD> Let me take
MD> a personal example. I have, with witnesses, caused rain to pause or stop, clouds
MD> to move, etc. I can do this with a high chance of success. I believe I can do
MD> so, I can replicate it when needed and it is totally unscientific.

Why haven't you been out causing rain clouds to move over a drought
stricken region or two? It would seem negligent to not helps ones
fellow starving humans.

Forgive me if I am skeptical.

MD>  There are
MD> others with similar beliefs that they can back up that are also outside of
MD> 'science'. Most of magic from day one to now is outside of the realm of science.

On day one...the wheel would have been magical to any human who
happened to be around.

MD> Yes, some like chemistry are pulled in but try writing the mathematical equation
MD> of a ghost. And yes, I've got personal experience (again with witnesses) on that
MD> as well. Totally insane.

No one has ever measured a physical property of a ghost that I am
aware of.

MD> So if there are things that exist outside of science, maybe some of those
MD> beliefs that are associated (like belief in God and rules given by that God) are
MD> true as well. But that's just my take.

Unless God just rolls the dice on how things happen...I would think God
put's some thought into what the hell he is doing. If that is the
case, science is just a study of God's thought processes, which I
presume are not under the control of any other mysterious force...or
else we would be worshipping that other force, no?


>> This is absolutely insane...
>>
>> Find me a religion who's beliefs will stand up to the scientific method
>> and I will become a convert. If you don't believe in the scientific
>> method...there is no point in discussing this further as we can't talk
>> on the same level.
>>
>> I will say, that beyond a shadow of a doubt, I do believe in logic, or
>> said another way, I believe in my own thought processes. If you can't
>> believe in your own thought processes, how can you even form a
>> reliable opinion about the scientific method?
>>
>> Bah...it just doesn't make any sense.
>>

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