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Absolutely a must read!!... will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: RE: woo hoo > See Dan knows me and my litter. While I love my children. they are quite a > handful. My oldest (3) is having quite a bout with disciplinary problems at > school. Just today he was sent to the office three times, twice for > throwing, and once for hair pulling. We are at our wits ends, he can be > such a beautiful and amazing child, but at other times he is almost > unmanageable. I hate to say it, but we might even have to take him to "see > someone". I mean he has hurt and almost hurt his baby brother on several > occasions, and just will not listen. Gets himself hurt all the time. > > Anyone know anything about early childhood development? I mean not the kind > that has been developed in the past 40 years or so, but the kind where you > raise children that speak Latin and obey their parents. :) > > Timothy Heald > Information Systems Specialist > Overseas Security Advisory Council > U.S. Department of State > 571.345.2235 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nagy, Daniel J > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:00 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: woo hoo > > > i deserve that. ;) > > underclassed overbreeding is what pisses me off about reproduction, not the > want to have 'em. > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:58 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: woo hoo > > > oop my turn to nitpick grammar > > but 'the' majority of them > > and > > been called a 'rut' but has 'a' feel deeper > > > .... ok nitpicking grammar didn't do anything for me. > > Kids rock though but not everyone wants them so thats all good too. :> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nagy, Daniel J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:50 PM > Subject: RE: woo hoo > > > > cleveland, charlotte, washinton dc. > > > > maybe i just spend too much time near crack dens. > > > > i'm not trying to even voice my personal opinion on having kids onto this > > topic (i'm far too selfish to ever want them.) but he great majority of > them > > are just stuck in what might once have been called a 'rut' but has feel > > deeper. it seems to be a lot worse around here in dc than even cleveland. > > > > like i should have clarified in my first message, then did my second, this > > slice of americana is of the people i met. this is not a personal attack > on > > anyone and their litters. > > > > --d. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:41 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: woo hoo > > > > > > You need to get out and meet more people. Where I live most people who are > > 28-30ish have 2 or more kids and are quite happy for it. > > Lets see. Since getting married and having kids I've co-written 3 books > with > > chapters in a few others. Done a few technical videos, started up a > > magazine, > > written over a gig of CF code, wrote some rather successful sites and > helped > > out > > the community and the growth of ColdFusion immeasurably (in my own > opinion). > > My > > wife has published a few books, edits Fusion Authority, takes PaKua and > > helps me > > with my community management. Both of us help raise our children through > the > > good and bad and make sure they are taught all that we can. I'm 32. Judith > > is > > younger. I have no regrets and neither does she. > > But then again we've got a certain outlook on life and community that may > be > > missing in some others. We don't see children as a burden but as the best > > thing > > in the world. > > Where do you live that has such miserable people? > > > > > > > sorry you feel that way. > > > > > > 95% of the people i've met who've had children before turning 28-30ish > are > > > absolutely miserable. of that percentage, i'd say 70-80% agree the wish > > > they'd made a different decision in the matter. most people in their > 20's > > > haven't even had a chance to grasp real concepts like love/money/other > > > things that take experience to learn. > > > > > > none of the parents i know have done much with their lives due to their > > > children, tim being the one exception in this case. the majority of them > > are > > > in dead end jobs that pay miserably, most of which goes directly back > into > > > caring for their litters. children are a gigantic responsability for 2 > > > people, never mind 1 or 2 who haven't even stepped out far into the > world. > > > > > > yes, this obviously does not apply to -every- case of early rearing that > > has > > > occured. but in the experience i've had, this is what i've come to see. > > > > > > --d. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:58 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: woo hoo > > > > > > > > > Just because you think its a mistake for someone to have kids in their > > 20's > > > doesn't mean it is a mistake. You're generalizing too much there. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Nagy, Daniel J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:51 PM > > > Subject: RE: woo hoo > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, as is proven time and time again, there are too many > > > > > people that don't have common sense, respect, or whatever you want > to > > > > > call it. > > > > > > > > you're going to drive me to drink. stop reminding me of this awful > fact. > > > > > > > > > People are people, some are good and some are bad. The > > > > > libertarian approach is wonderful if all people are good and respect > > > > > each other. But we all know that's not the case. > > > > > > > > i can respect anyone who can validly make a point. i understand that > > isn't > > > > what you mean when you say that, but hence why when ian was talking > > about > > > > his view, at least i could understand the logical reasoning, unlike > the > > > > female who just told us how she felt. > > > > > > > > > Smoking around non-smokers at a resturaunt is a perfect example. > > Polite > > > > > people would put out their cigarettes because they know that it is > > > > > affecting other people negatively and as such is impolite and rude. > > But > > > > > that doesn't happen. > > > > > > > > i don't really see why it's the smokers responsability to do so. if i > > had > > > > epilepsy, i wouldn't be writing the tv networks asking if they could > > > change > > > > the frequency of color changes. if someone has a problem with a > > > > person/place/thing, the smart thing to do is usually avoid those > places. > > > > > > > > > Philosophically, I completely agree with the libertarian stance of > > > > > individual responsibility. In reality though I just don't see > people, > > > > > libertarians included, being responsible and respectful enough to > > > > > justify an unmitigated adoption of the philosophy. Actions speak > > louder > > > > > than words. Sad, really. > > > > > > > > scary. :) seriously, i agree with you 100% that people on the whole > are > > > not > > > > responsible enough to handle their own problems. lord knows how many > > times > > > > i've met people in their early 20's who already have spawned 1 or 2, > and > > > it > > > > pisses the hell out of me a good amount of them got a micropercentage > of > > > my > > > > tax dollars to aid in their mistake. > > > > > > > > i don't think it's so much of a mental problem as a societal problem > > which > > > > really began with the new deal. children in this country are doted > upon > > > far > > > > too much, then when the stark fist of reality comes about, they go > > looking > > > > for a new parent instead of wiping their own ass. > > > > > > > > </rant> > > > > > > > > --d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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