In our case the youngest really torments her older brother. She is a force
of nature and I think he alternates between being scared of her and
admiring her kinda. He refuses to wake her up, something about extreme
bodily injury.

William Wheatley writes:

> LOL fighting and tormenting your siblings is part of having siblings.
> My oldest brother terry shot my brother chris in the back with a bb rifle
> and chris still has the bb in his back today. Chris got him back though and
> i can't say how lol. Lucky for me they were adults by the time i was old
> enough to be picked on so i didn't get it too terribly bad but chris was
> able to pick on me on occasions. And then there was my kids sisters *evil
> grin* so much fun!!
> 
> I guess it sucks when you're the youngest lol.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:15 PM
> Subject: Kids Re: woo hoo
> 
> 
> > I'm kinda in the same boat in a small way. My oldest is a fantastic girl
> but she
> > abuses her younger brother (the middle child) to no end. She knows better
> but
> > still does it. Personally, I'm thinking of some way to separate them into
> > different rooms. This alone will help. Another thing I do is show them
> music
> > videos if they're good. I threaten to delete them when she acts up and she
> gets
> > all repentant fast. :)
> > Carrot and stick. Just have to find what carrot and what stick.
> >
> >
> > > See Dan knows me and my litter.   While I love my children. they are
> quite a
> > > handful.  My oldest (3) is having quite a bout with disciplinary
> problems at
> > > school.  Just today he was sent to the office three times, twice for
> > > throwing, and once for hair pulling.  We are at our wits ends, he can be
> > > such a beautiful and amazing child, but at other times he is almost
> > > unmanageable.  I hate to say it, but we might even have to take him to
> "see
> > > someone".  I mean he has hurt and almost hurt his baby brother on
> several
> > > occasions, and just will not listen. Gets himself hurt all the time.
> > >
> > > Anyone know anything about early childhood development?  I mean not the
> kind
> > > that has been developed in the past 40 years or so, but the kind where
> you
> > > raise children that speak Latin and obey their parents.  :)
> > >
> > > Timothy Heald
> > > Information Systems Specialist
> > > Overseas Security Advisory Council
> > > U.S. Department of State
> > > 571.345.2235
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nagy, Daniel J
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:00 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: woo hoo
> > >
> > >
> > > i deserve that. ;)
> > >
> > > underclassed overbreeding is what pisses me off about reproduction, not
> the
> > > want to have 'em.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:58 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: woo hoo
> > >
> > >
> > > oop my turn to nitpick grammar
> > >
> > > but 'the' majority of them
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > been called a 'rut' but has 'a' feel  deeper
> > >
> > >
> > > .... ok nitpicking grammar didn't do anything for me.
> > >
> > > Kids rock though but not everyone wants them so thats all good too. :>
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nagy, Daniel J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:50 PM
> > > Subject: RE: woo hoo
> > >
> > >
> > > > cleveland, charlotte, washinton dc.
> > > >
> > > > maybe i just spend too much time near crack dens.
> > > >
> > > > i'm not trying to even voice my personal opinion on having kids onto
> this
> > > > topic (i'm far too selfish to ever want them.) but he great majority
> of
> > > them
> > > > are just stuck in what might once have been called a 'rut' but has
> feel
> > > > deeper. it seems to be a lot worse around here in dc than even
> cleveland.
> > > >
> > > > like i should have clarified in my first message, then did my second,
> this
> > > > slice of americana is of the people i met. this is not a personal
> attack
> > > on
> > > > anyone and their litters.
> > > >
> > > > --d.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:41 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: woo hoo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You need to get out and meet more people. Where I live most people who
> are
> > > > 28-30ish have 2 or more kids and are quite happy for it.
> > > > Lets see. Since getting married and having kids I've co-written 3
> books
> > > with
> > > > chapters in a few others. Done a few technical videos, started up a
> > > > magazine,
> > > > written over a gig of CF code, wrote some rather successful sites and
> > > helped
> > > > out
> > > > the community and the growth of ColdFusion immeasurably (in my own
> > > opinion).
> > > > My
> > > > wife has published a few books, edits Fusion Authority, takes PaKua
> and
> > > > helps me
> > > > with my community management. Both of us help raise our children
> through
> > > the
> > > > good and bad and make sure they are taught all that we can. I'm 32.
> Judith
> > > > is
> > > > younger. I have no regrets and neither does she.
> > > > But then again we've got a certain outlook on life and community that
> may
> > > be
> > > > missing in some others. We don't see children as a burden but as the
> best
> > > > thing
> > > > in the world.
> > > > Where do you live that has such miserable people?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > sorry you feel that way.
> > > > >
> > > > > 95% of the people i've met who've had children before turning
> 28-30ish
> > > are
> > > > > absolutely miserable. of that percentage, i'd say 70-80% agree the
> wish
> > > > > they'd made a different decision in the matter. most people in their
> > > 20's
> > > > > haven't even had a chance to grasp real concepts like
> love/money/other
> > > > > things that take experience to learn.
> > > > >
> > > > > none of the parents i know have done much with their lives due to
> their
> > > > > children, tim being the one exception in this case. the majority of
> them
> > > > are
> > > > > in dead end jobs that pay miserably, most of which goes directly
> back
> > > into
> > > > > caring for their litters. children are a gigantic responsability for
> 2
> > > > > people, never mind 1 or 2 who haven't even stepped out far into the
> > > world.
> > > > >
> > > > > yes, this obviously does not apply to -every- case of early rearing
> that
> > > > has
> > > > > occured. but in the experience i've had, this is what i've come to
> see.
> > > > >
> > > > > --d.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: Re: woo hoo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just because you think its a mistake for someone to have kids in
> their
> > > > 20's
> > > > > doesn't mean it is a mistake. You're generalizing too much there.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Nagy, Daniel J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:51 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: woo hoo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, as is proven time and time again, there are too
> many
> > > > > > > people that don't have common sense, respect, or whatever you
> want
> > > to
> > > > > > > call it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you're going to drive me to drink. stop reminding me of this awful
> > > fact.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > People are people, some are good and some are bad. The
> > > > > > > libertarian approach is wonderful if all people are good and
> respect
> > > > > > > each other. But we all know that's not the case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i can respect anyone who can validly make a point. i understand
> that
> > > > isn't
> > > > > > what you mean when you say that, but hence why when ian was
> talking
> > > > about
> > > > > > his view, at least i could understand the logical reasoning,
> unlike
> > > the
> > > > > > female who just told us how she felt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Smoking around non-smokers at a resturaunt is a perfect example.
> > > > Polite
> > > > > > > people would put out their cigarettes because they know that it
> is
> > > > > > > affecting other people negatively and as such is impolite and
> rude.
> > > > But
> > > > > > > that doesn't happen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i don't really see why it's the smokers responsability to do so.
> if i
> > > > had
> > > > > > epilepsy, i wouldn't be writing the tv networks asking if they
> could
> > > > > change
> > > > > > the frequency of color changes. if someone has a problem with a
> > > > > > person/place/thing, the smart thing to do is usually avoid those
> > > places.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Philosophically, I completely agree with the libertarian stance
> of
> > > > > > > individual responsibility. In reality though I just don't see
> > > people,
> > > > > > > libertarians included, being responsible and respectful enough
> to
> > > > > > > justify an unmitigated adoption of the philosophy. Actions speak
> > > > louder
> > > > > > > than words. Sad, really.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scary. :) seriously, i agree with you 100% that people on the
> whole
> > > are
> > > > > not
> > > > > > responsible enough to handle their own problems. lord knows how
> many
> > > > times
> > > > > > i've met people in their early 20's who already have spawned 1 or
> 2,
> > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > pisses the hell out of me a good amount of them got a
> micropercentage
> > > of
> > > > > my
> > > > > > tax dollars to aid in their mistake.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i don't think it's so much of a mental problem as a societal
> problem
> > > > which
> > > > > > really began with the new deal. children in this country are doted
> > > upon
> > > > > far
> > > > > > too much, then when the stark fist of reality comes about, they go
> > > > looking
> > > > > > for a new parent instead of wiping their own ass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > </rant>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --d.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> 
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