No doubt. And this should not have needed to be said. Dana
Heald, Tim writes: > I can say that Mike is a great father. Also, I wasn't ready to be a father > when Chrissie got pregnant the first time, but I even had it easier than > Mike did. I was in the Army, we were married and she was 25, and I 26. We > had already tasted responsibility. > > I might not always like his politics but seriously have nothing but respect > for him as a man. > > Timothy Heald > Information Systems Specialist > Overseas Security Advisory Council > U.S. Department of State > 571.345.2235 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:12 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > I love it so when one recognizes my higher than average IQ, it always makes > me feel warm and fuzzy. > > Perhaps I was a bit harsh. I was meaning to refer to society as a whole > when it comes to responsibiliy. However, it did seem as though you > mentioned you weren't ready to be a parent. All I said was that you like > everyone else have to assume responsibility for your actions, in which case > you did. My beef is with those who want others to coddle them when they > make mistakes and expect me to pay for those mistakes. > > Now about you using my tax dollars, we all use each others tax dollars every > day, now whether I agree with some of those uses is another story. > > Kevin > > > >Good response, genius! I am probably one of the most responsible people > >you will ever speak to, and have had to do a lot more with a lot less > >than most people. > > > >Now, when did your tax dollars ever benefit me? It sounds like you are > >saying I was on welfare, are you saying I was on welfare? > > > >M > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:40 PM > >To: CF-Community > >Subject: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > > >Your correct, what form of contraception you use isn't the issue. The > >issue is taking responsibility for your actions. The action of having a > >child is one that requires responsibility. There is all too often a > >tendency for us as a society to shirk our responsibility. However, if > >you realized you weren't ready for that responsibility as you stated in > >your email, and obviously realized, there was nine months for you to > >take care of that. If you weren't ready, than why should I have to > >spend my tax dollars to handle your irresponsibility. People need to > >realize that there are consequences for their actions, and until we > >reach that point, someone is going to try to keep reaching into my > >pocket to pay for others irresponsibility and I am going to do my best > >to keep their hands out. > > > >>Finally, and this is the last thing I want to talk to you about, the > >>form and frequency of my choice of contraceptive device when I'm > >>getting' it on is completely unrelated to the issue at hand. In the > >>case of how my daughter was conceived, I cannot think of a reason you > >>need to know the details of that event. Kindly get your mind out of my > >>pants. > >> > >>M > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:45 PM > >>To: CF-Community > >>Subject: Yet another scumbag parent.... > >> > >> > >> I think people having to get a license to be a parent is an > >>>interesting approach to cutting the link between violent crime and > >>>child abuse. Even if only a percent of a percent of children benefit > >>>from such a program, it would be worthwhile. > >> > >>Once again, let's legislate for the minority. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Also, think about the parents you know. How many of them started off > >>>ready to be parents? > >> > >>So, Mike, you weren't planning on having the kid right? So how would > >>of having a license helped? We gonna put everyone on government > >>regulated birth control. I am sure the ACLU would love that. Then and > >>only then when you have a license you can go off birth control? > >> > >>In my case, I was a college student who had never > >>>had to balance a budget, cook a meal more substantial than ramen > >>>noodles, or keep house. Suddenly, I had to feed and clothe a child. > >>>That's a big transition. > >> > >>Growing up fast is hard isn't it. I don't know your situation, but > >>would you have had the same problem had you been responsible about > >>birth control? With every action, there is a responsibility to be > >>taken. In your case, you now have a child that you are responsible > >>for. > >> > >> Learning these things was a lot of trial and > >>>error, and has led to some pretty tough situations. Sometimes the > >>>experience was overwhelming, and I could see how some people could > >just > >> > >>>lose it and go overboard on their kids. > >> > >>I had my son at 23, and I have never once come across a situation where > > > >>I thought I was going to "lose it." > >> > >> > >> A little more knowledge of how > >>>to deal with the challenges beforehand might go a long way in the more > >>>tragic cases. > >> > >>Fine, you have nine months before the kid is born, that's nine months > >>of knowledge you can garner. > >> > >> > >>And let's face it - 30% of children in America are born > >>>out of wedlock, it's not like they are necessarily getting these > >>>skills > >> > >>>at home. > >> > >>So, it should be the governments role to step in and tell you how to > >>live your life and how to raise your kids? Not in my household. > >> > >>> > >>>Other countries have mandantory military programs where you go on > >>>active duty for 2 years when you turn 18. This idea, while it may seem > > > >>>like something that only benefits a few people, actually serves the > >>>same end, that the common good can be upheld through vigorous > >>>preparation of young adults. > >> > >>I don't necessarily agree with that. I think responsibility is > >>something parents must impart, or you learn the hard way. We don't > >>need the government teaching us that. They already fail us in our > >>educations, why not let them fail us in teaching responsibility too. > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>>M > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:54 PM > >>>To: CF-Community > >>>Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > >>> > >>> > >>>That we put away a higher percentage than most nations is probably > >>>true, but I would take exception to it mainly being violent crime. > >The > >> > >>>last time I was paying attention the major reasons for most > >>>incarcerations were victimless crimes, usually related to drugs. > >>> > >>>If we legalized drugs and prostitution than we would no longer have to > >>>spend all that money on enforcement and punishment, and we would be > >>>able to tax it like we do cigarettes and alcohol. > >>> > >>>Timothy Heald > >>>Information Systems Specialist > >>>Overseas Security Advisory Council > >>>U.S. Department of State > >>>571.345.2235 > >>> > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
