those who are capable of getting jobs or working harder can open their homes
up and supoport someone so I dont have to.
-----Original Message-----
From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:44 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: More Breaking News
Yeah god forbid we expect people to work harder. To study on their own time
to better themselves.
People rise to the level of their abilities. Why is it my burden to support
them in a manner better than they can provide for themselves?
--
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:42 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: More Breaking News
Exactly. The overall cost to the country of an even poorer poor is worse
than the minor burden of an artificially manipulated standard of living.
Besides increases in unemployment, theft, and violent crime, there is also
an associated decrease in access to base medical care which leads to more
sickness and the spread of communicable diseases. With a shortened life
expectancy, people tend to try and have more children in order for their
family to survive which puts an even greater burden on the country.
And besides, if people aren't making as much money who's going to buy all
the SUVs and HDTVs?
-Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Horwith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> but the idea behind Minimum wage is that it guarantees a standard of
living
> that, though still at or near poverty level, does help to guarantee
certain
> basic living standards. Even then, the minimum wage tends not to keep-up
> with the rise in inflation. That said, if a higher inflation rate is the
> price we must pay in order to guarantee legal workers a chance at a decent
> life, so be it.
>
> ~Simon
>
> Simon Horwith
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 07 January 2004 14:02
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>
>
> I think two main things have led us through inflation and rising costs.
>
>
> 1. Coming off of the gold standard, thanx Nixon.
>
>
> 2. Minimum wage.
>
>
> Why in a free market economy should the government dictate what one side
> of
> an open trade should receive? If a person is willing to work for next
to
> nothing, should they not be able to? Also, to return to a place where
we
> can compete in a world economy as not just a service provider, but an
> industrial base, we need low pay low skill employees. As long as law
> requires us to meet and exceed basic standards we cannot do so.
>
>
> The only other answer would be to severely penalize countries and
> companies
> that don't meet the same requirements that we impose internally.
>
>
> We start by exactly matching tariffs imposed by other nations against
our
> goods. Add additional tariffs to nations that don't afford their
> employees
> the same minimum standing of living, add even more for nations that
don't
> have basic human rights.
>
>
> It would be painful, maybe even start a war or two, but I think it would
> be
> worth it in the long run.
>
> --
> Timothy Heald
> Web Portfolio Manager
> Overseas Security Advisory Council
> U.S. Department of State
> 571.345.2319
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:58 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>
> Hey - I like cutting my own lawn.
>
> I'm no economist, bu i wouldn't hold your breath on seeing minimum wage
go
> away. Quite honestly, as far as I know it shouldn't go away. The goal
> shouldn't be to do away with it so that companies can hire Americans for
> as
> cheap as they can get illegal labor, but to legalize all of the labor to
> the
> extent that it all falls under minimum wage law. That way there'd be no
> benefit to hiring an illegal labourer as opposed to a legal one (they'd
> cost
> the same). Without minimum wage, what would protect the workforce -
> especially unskilled and manual labour? Of course, this would most
likely
> result in even more work being outsourced to countries like India... any
> work that can be, anyway.
>
> ~Simon
>
> Simon Horwith
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 07 January 2004 13:36
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>
> >We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States right now,"
> said
> US Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue.
>
> >"If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country."
>
> Hehe, or we'd just have to learn how to cut our own lawn again. :)
>
> Immigration is probably where I am furthest from libertarian. At this
> point
> I am almost isolationist. I would much rather see work-fare programs
> that
> get people off the rolls of welfare and into low and no skill jobs.
> Really
> if we could do away with the minimum wage and make it so that these
> companies that hire illegals because they can't afford Americans, can
> again,
> it would be good for us all.
>
> Also isn't this going to encourage MORE illegal immigration, as people
> will
> see the "success stories" of people who got legal recognition. Plus
the
> way
> many state governments are set up, don't immigrants, even
non-citizens,
> then
> become eligible for social programs, like welfare and medical
benefits?
>
> Yeah I can't see how any of this is a good idea.
>
> --
> Timothy Heald
> Web Portfolio Manager
> Overseas Security Advisory Council
> U.S. Department of State
> 571.345.2319
>
> The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the
U.S.
> Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have these
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> is
> unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:27 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: More Breaking News
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>
> Cheers,
> Erika
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